(12-11-2017, 01:55 AM)Rattler Wrote: Any true rebuilding starts with Mikey Boy either pushing up daisies or catatonic in a rest home.

(12-11-2017, 01:43 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: It’s painfully obvious the Bengals are coming to the end of an era.  God bless Marvin Lewis, his family, and his wonderful Foundation.  Marvin took the Bengals from rejected to respectable and all Bengaldom owes him a debt of gratitude.  He will leave Cincinnati as the winningest coach in Bengal history with his head held high.  

Marvin Lewis was our Moses:  He led the Bengals from the NFL version of slavery in Egypt to the borders of the Promised Land but, like Moses, Marvin will never enter it.  We need our NFL version of Joshua who did enter the Promised Land.  I have some ideas on who that might be.

Rebuilding starts with a new head coach who needs the autonomy to select his own coordinators who, in turn, need autonomy to select their own position coaches.  My personal opinion is most of the coaching staff should be former Bengal players who excelled at their positions. The entire scouting department needs an enema and a fresh treatment with probiotics.  The scouts need to be personally selected by the head coach and the three coordinators.  

This plan won’t come together overnight nor even by next season or the next.  The team must be rebuilt from the trenches out, Paul Brown style, with only the best players who fit the new scheme drafted or brought in via free agency.  Such a team won’t win right away — but once everything is in place the team will win and do so consistently which brings me to the hardest thing to write:

The current stars on the Cincinnati roster must be given the options to enter free agency or be traded.  They don’t have to take it but I don’t want Bengal standouts like AJ Green, Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, Vontaze Burfict, Joe Mixon, and yes, Andy Dalton too, to have to play on a rebuilding team if they want to go win elsewhere.  They sweated through hard times and gave their all so if these great men can’t get a ring here, I’m not opposed to them winning it all elsewhere.  Those guys I mentioned would be solid contributors on any roster in the league.

The new coach and coordinators need to devise a winning scheme in all three phases of the game and stick to it:  Balanced offense, disruptive defense, and opportunistic special teams.  The great teams might adjust scheme but they don’t change scheme.  New England and Pittsburgh play the same schemes every week and usually win.

It’s going to hurt.  But if the Bengals want to win, no pain means no gain.

(12-11-2017, 02:18 AM)Lionel Hutz Wrote: Not trying to be an ass, but what has Mixon done to be included in that group of players? He should just be thankful Bengals took him with his background. Likewise, Burfict in same boat as most other franchises would've cut bait a long time ago on him.

I say move on from Dalton, Pacman, Eifert, Lafell, Dennard, etc. and start the rebuild. Draft a QB round 1 and let them sit behind McCarron next year. Rebuild OL/DL next couple of drafts as well as guys like Geno Atkins and Dunlap play out their contracts. I agree though that AJ Green deserves shot to play for a winner. I'd start looking for NFC teams to try to move him to with multiple high picks being the price tag.  No pressure to trade him but if right offer comes, definitely gotta consider it. Bengals do this rebuild right they can be right back at top of division in 2019 or 2020 when Steelers and Ravens starting their declines.

(12-11-2017, 03:02 AM)ah5 Wrote: I wouldnt include Dennard in this group.  Hes the second best corner we got.

(12-11-2017, 01:43 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: New England and Pittsburgh play the same schemes every week and usually win.

(12-11-2017, 01:43 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: It’s painfully obvious the Bengals are coming to the end of an era.  God bless Marvin Lewis, his family, and his wonderful Foundation.  Marvin took the Bengals from rejected to respectable and all Bengaldom owes him a debt of gratitude.  He will leave Cincinnati as the winningest coach in Bengal history with his head held high.  

Marvin Lewis was our Moses:  He led the Bengals from the NFL version of slavery in Egypt to the borders of the Promised Land but, like Moses, Marvin will never enter it.  We need our NFL version of Joshua who did enter the Promised Land.  I have some ideas on who that might be.

Rebuilding starts with a new head coach who needs the autonomy to select his own coordinators who, in turn, need autonomy to select their own position coaches.  My personal opinion is most of the coaching staff should be former Bengal players who excelled at their positions. The entire scouting department needs an enema and a fresh treatment with probiotics.  The scouts need to be personally selected by the head coach and the three coordinators.  

This plan won’t come together overnight nor even by next season or the next.  The team must be rebuilt from the trenches out, Paul Brown style, with only the best players who fit the new scheme drafted or brought in via free agency.  Such a team won’t win right away — but once everything is in place the team will win and do so consistently which brings me to the hardest thing to write:

The current stars on the Cincinnati roster must be given the options to enter free agency or be traded.  They don’t have to take it but I don’t want Bengal standouts like AJ Green, Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, Vontaze Burfict, Joe Mixon, and yes, Andy Dalton too, to have to play on a rebuilding team if they want to go win elsewhere.  They sweated through hard times and gave their all so if these great men can’t get a ring here, I’m not opposed to them winning it all elsewhere.  Those guys I mentioned would be solid contributors on any roster in the league.

The new coach and coordinators need to devise a winning scheme in all three phases of the game and stick to it:  Balanced offense, disruptive defense, and opportunistic special teams.  The great teams might adjust scheme but they don’t change scheme.  New England and Pittsburgh play the same schemes every week and usually win.

It’s going to hurt.  But if the Bengals want to win, no pain means no gain.

(12-11-2017, 01:43 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: It’s painfully obvious the Bengals are coming to the end of an era.  God bless Marvin Lewis, his family, and his wonderful Foundation.  Marvin took the Bengals from rejected to respectable and all Bengaldom owes him a debt of gratitude.  He will leave Cincinnati as the winningest coach in Bengal history with his head held high.  

Marvin Lewis was our Moses:  He led the Bengals from the NFL version of slavery in Egypt to the borders of the Promised Land but, like Moses, Marvin will never enter it.  We need our NFL version of Joshua who did enter the Promised Land.  I have some ideas on who that might be.

Rebuilding starts with a new head coach who needs the autonomy to select his own coordinators who, in turn, need autonomy to select their own position coaches.  My personal opinion is most of the coaching staff should be former Bengal players who excelled at their positions. The entire scouting department needs an enema and a fresh treatment with probiotics.  The scouts need to be personally selected by the head coach and the three coordinators.  

This plan won’t come together overnight nor even by next season or the next.  The team must be rebuilt from the trenches out, Paul Brown style, with only the best players who fit the new scheme drafted or brought in via free agency.  Such a team won’t win right away — but once everything is in place the team will win and do so consistently which brings me to the hardest thing to write:

The current stars on the Cincinnati roster must be given the options to enter free agency or be traded.  They don’t have to take it but I don’t want Bengal standouts like AJ Green, Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, Vontaze Burfict, Joe Mixon, and yes, Andy Dalton too, to have to play on a rebuilding team if they want to go win elsewhere.  They sweated through hard times and gave their all so if these great men can’t get a ring here, I’m not opposed to them winning it all elsewhere.  Those guys I mentioned would be solid contributors on any roster in the league.

The new coach and coordinators need to devise a winning scheme in all three phases of the game and stick to it:  Balanced offense, disruptive defense, and opportunistic special teams.  The great teams might adjust scheme but they don’t change scheme.  New England and Pittsburgh play the same schemes every week and usually win.

It’s going to hurt.  But if the Bengals want to win, no pain means no gain.

(12-11-2017, 05:58 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: Mike Brown retires.
Katie hires a GM and does nothing but sign checks.
GM has five years to win a Super Bowl, circumstances permitting like injury bugs and so on.
GM hires new Head Coach.
GM and Head Coach hire Coaching Staff.
GM, Head Coach and Coaching Staff evaluate players, get rid of players that don't fit new system or won't buy into new system and go and get players that do through Free Agency and the NFL Draft.

If by three years the team doesn't make the playoffs or at least be 10-6 just missing the playoffs, Head Coach and Coaching Staff get one more year, if they miss the playoffs they are gone as is the GM.

Hold everyone accountable and follow through. Maybe the Bengals luck into a Belichick and Brady and win six Super Bowls in 20 years catching up to the Steelers.

(12-11-2017, 01:55 AM)Rattler Wrote: Any true rebuilding starts with Mikey Boy either pushing up daisies or catatonic in a rest home.

(12-11-2017, 02:18 AM)Lionel Hutz Wrote: Not trying to be an ass, but what has Mixon done to be included in that group of players? He should just be thankful Bengals took him with his background. Likewise, Burfict in same boat as most other franchises would've cut bait a long time ago on him.

I say move on from Dalton, Pacman, Eifert, Lafell, Dennard, etc. and start the rebuild. Draft a QB round 1 and let them sit behind McCarron next year. Rebuild OL/DL next couple of drafts as well as guys like Geno Atkins and Dunlap play out their contracts. I agree though that AJ Green deserves shot to play for a winner. I'd start looking for NFC teams to try to move him to with multiple high picks being the price tag.  No pressure to trade him but if right offer comes, definitely gotta consider it. Bengals do this rebuild right they can be right back at top of division in 2019 or 2020 when Steelers and Ravens starting their declines.

(12-11-2017, 12:46 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: Look on the bright side, Paul Brown passed away at age 82. Mikey turned 82 in August.

(12-11-2017, 03:05 AM)Alleyviper13 Wrote: He actually turned into a good Corner with playing time....( who wouldve guessed?)

Dennard and WJIII

get rid of everyone....we wont though....