(01-22-2018, 11:25 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Yes, they spy.  Yes, they deflate balls.  These two things are incontrovertibly true.  Still, I must give credit where credit is due — and it’s time to give mad props to Dante Scarnecchia, the Patriots’ masterful offensive line coach.  What I saw in the AFC Championship blew my mind and here’s why:  Tom Brady often has up to ten seconds to throw a pass but I finally figured out WHY:  Dante teaches a blocking method where each lineman stays locked up with a defensive player UNTIL TOM BRADY RELEASES THE PASS.  I’ve been watching offensive lines for decades and I’ve never seen this before.  The Patriot linemen do not stop blocking until that ball is GONE.  This is why Tom Brady is so confident:  His pocket rarely collapses.

I saw this happen on one pass play, then two, then ten.  I truly hope Frank Pollack teaches this technique to Cincinnati because it’s actually easier than the “backpedal and wave your arms” method Paul Alexander taught.  The other part of Dante’s technique involves moving forward INTO the defenders.  This makes for a bigger pocket and uses the offensive linemens’ energy in the right direction.

(01-22-2018, 11:25 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Yes, they spy. Yes, they deflate balls. These two things are incontrovertibly true. Still, I must give credit where credit is due — and it’s time to give mad props to Dante Scarnecchia, the Patriots’ masterful offensive line coach. What I saw in the AFC Championship blew my mind and here’s why: Tom Brady often has up to ten seconds to throw a pass but I finally figured out WHY: Dante teaches a blocking method where each lineman stays locked up with a defensive player UNTIL TOM BRADY RELEASES THE PASS. I’ve been watching offensive lines for decades and I’ve never seen this before. The Patriot linemen do not stop blocking until that ball is GONE. This is why Tom Brady is so confident: His pocket rarely collapses.

I saw this happen on one pass play, then two, then ten. I truly hope Frank Pollack teaches this technique to Cincinnati because it’s actually easier than the “backpedal and wave your arms” method Paul Alexander taught. The other part of Dante’s technique involves moving forward INTO the defenders. This makes for a bigger pocket and uses the offensive linemens’ energy in the right direction.

(01-22-2018, 11:25 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Yes, they spy. Yes, they deflate balls. These two things are incontrovertibly true. Still, I must give credit where credit is due — and it’s time to give mad props to Dante Scarnecchia, the Patriots’ masterful offensive line coach. What I saw in the AFC Championship blew my mind and here’s why: Tom Brady often has up to ten seconds to throw a pass but I finally figured out WHY: Dante teaches a blocking method where each lineman stays locked up with a defensive player UNTIL TOM BRADY RELEASES THE PASS. I’ve been watching offensive lines for decades and I’ve never seen this before. The Patriot linemen do not stop blocking until that ball is GONE. This is why Tom Brady is so confident: His pocket rarely collapses.

I saw this happen on one pass play, then two, then ten. I truly hope Frank Pollack teaches this technique to Cincinnati because it’s actually easier than the “backpedal and wave your arms” method Paul Alexander taught. The other part of Dante’s technique involves moving forward INTO the defenders. This makes for a bigger pocket and uses the offensive linemens’ energy in the right direction.

(01-22-2018, 11:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I think it may have more to do with Tom Brady doesn't leave the pocket even if it is collapsing around him; he simply relocates in it. Tom was sacked 35 times this past season. Pocket collapsed plenty.  

(01-22-2018, 11:25 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Yes, they spy.  Yes, they deflate balls.  These two things are incontrovertibly true.  Still, I must give credit where credit is due — and it’s time to give mad props to Dante Scarnecchia, the Patriots’ masterful offensive line coach.  What I saw in the AFC Championship blew my mind and here’s why:  Tom Brady often has up to ten seconds to throw a pass but I finally figured out WHY:  Dante teaches a blocking method where each lineman stays locked up with a defensive player UNTIL TOM BRADY RELEASES THE PASS.  I’ve been watching offensive lines for decades and I’ve never seen this before.  The Patriot linemen do not stop blocking until that ball is GONE.  This is why Tom Brady is so confident:  His pocket rarely collapses.

I saw this happen on one pass play, then two, then ten.  I truly hope Frank Pollack teaches this technique to Cincinnati because it’s actually easier than the “backpedal and wave your arms” method Paul Alexander taught.  The other part of Dante’s technique involves moving forward INTO the defenders.  This makes for a bigger pocket and uses the offensive linemens’ energy in the right direction.

(01-22-2018, 11:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I think it may have more to do with Tom Brady doesn't leave the pocket even if it is collapsing around him; he simply relocates in it. Tom was sacked 35 times this past season. Pocket collapsed plenty.  

(01-23-2018, 12:35 AM)Pat5775 Wrote: True






And also true. 

But keep in mind, I saw at least 10 plays with blatant holding that wasn't called on New England. Shocking, I know   It's easy to look great when you are allowed the luxury to hold all day long. The patriots had, what, one penalty? I'd say two at the most but I really only remember one.

We won't get the preferential treatment the patriots do for a long time, and that's only if we start winning consistently and become a "media darling franchise"

(01-23-2018, 12:35 AM)Pat5775 Wrote: True






And also true. 

But keep in mind, I saw at least 10 plays with blatant holding that wasn't called on New England. Shocking, I know   It's easy to look great when you are allowed the luxury to hold all day long. The patriots had, what, one penalty? I'd say two at the most but I really only remember one.

We won't get the preferential treatment the patriots do for a long time, and that's only if we start winning consistently and become a "media darling franchise"

(01-22-2018, 11:25 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Yes, they spy.  Yes, they deflate balls.  These two things are incontrovertibly true.  Still, I must give credit where credit is due — and it’s time to give mad props to Dante Scarnecchia, the Patriots’ masterful offensive line coach.  What I saw in the AFC Championship blew my mind and here’s why:  Tom Brady often has up to ten seconds to throw a pass but I finally figured out WHY:  Dante teaches a blocking method where each lineman stays locked up with a defensive player UNTIL TOM BRADY RELEASES THE PASS.  I’ve been watching offensive lines for decades and I’ve never seen this before.  The Patriot linemen do not stop blocking until that ball is GONE.  This is why Tom Brady is so confident:  His pocket rarely collapses.

I saw this happen on one pass play, then two, then ten.  I truly hope Frank Pollack teaches this technique to Cincinnati because it’s actually easier than the “backpedal and wave your arms” method Paul Alexander taught.  The other part of Dante’s technique involves moving forward INTO the defenders.  This makes for a bigger pocket and uses the offensive linemens’ energy in the right direction.

(01-23-2018, 12:25 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That’s a bingo

(01-22-2018, 11:25 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Yes, they spy.  Yes, they deflate balls.  These two things are incontrovertibly true.  Still, I must give credit where credit is due — and it’s time to give mad props to Dante Scarnecchia, the Patriots’ masterful offensive line coach.  What I saw in the AFC Championship blew my mind and here’s why:  Tom Brady often has up to ten seconds to throw a pass but I finally figured out WHY:  Dante teaches a blocking method where each lineman stays locked up with a defensive player UNTIL TOM BRADY RELEASES THE PASS.  I’ve been watching offensive lines for decades and I’ve never seen this before.  The Patriot linemen do not stop blocking until that ball is GONE.  This is why Tom Brady is so confident:  His pocket rarely collapses.

I saw this happen on one pass play, then two, then ten.  I truly hope Frank Pollack teaches this technique to Cincinnati because it’s actually easier than the “backpedal and wave your arms” method Paul Alexander taught.  The other part of Dante’s technique involves moving forward INTO the defenders.  This makes for a bigger pocket and uses the offensive linemens’ energy in the right direction.

(01-23-2018, 10:53 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Also worth noting the OL's rounds in which they were drafted...
LT = Nate Solder - 1st (2011)
LG = Joe Thuney - 3nd (2016)
C = David Andrews UDFA (2015)
RG = Shaq Mason - 4th (2015)
RT = Cam Fleming - 4th (2014)

Pretty impressive given the youth of the players and the fact only one was drafted within the first two rounds of a draft.
You don't need all Day 1 and Day 2 picks if you have good coaching.

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But given that the Patriots had one -- count 'em -- one penalty called against them (and on a kickoff return, no less), perhaps he should've been.

How much does 10 yards or 20 yards matter in a four point game (NE won 24-20)? Well, how about 88 yards? Because that was the difference in penalty yards assessed: NE 1-for-10, JAX 6-for-98. Two of the Jaguars' penalties helped New England cut the score from 14-3 to 14-10 near the end of the first half.

Two major non-calls by the refs also tinkered with the outcome. The first was the quick whistle on the Miles Jack fumble recovery which would've been a TD had the refs not immediately ruled him down by contact (which also made the play non-reviewable):

The second was the non-pass interference call on a late-game fourth down pass play by Jacksonville which, if called, would've kept the Jags hope alive.

For good measure, you could throw in a non-call on a Danny Amendola headbutt on the Jags Tashaun Gipson which officials saw, but decided wasn't "flagrant" enough to throw a flag on. This caused the Jags AJ Bouye to say post-game, “I was pissed because I seen Amendola head-butt the hell out of Gip in front of the ref and you all don’t call nothing? It don’t make no sense man; it’s a lot of stuff that don’t make no sense. I have a lot of respect for these people in this locker room. They kept fighting, we all kept fighting. We knew there was stuff we couldn’t control and we kept it close.”

There's some historical weirdness to the officials' penalty calling in this game. For one, the Patriots getting only one penalty called against them all game was the first time that had happened in the playoffs since 2011 -- when the Patriots also were called just once for a penalty in a victory over the Ravens. Secondly, the Jags were called for defensive pass interference five times all season, yet were called for it twice in this game. In fact, the Jags defense was only flagged nine times total all season. In other words, if any team should've been penalty free, statisically speaking, it should've been Jacksonville. Instead, it was just the opposite

(01-23-2018, 01:09 PM)grampahol Wrote: Say what you want and go ahead and believe it's all on the up and up, but Brady gets more than just a little bit of help via zebratic intervention. 
I'm going with Brian Tuohy's take on things.. There's a lot of stuff Brian and myself disagree with, but this ain't one of them. 
http://www.thefixisin.net/nfl2017.html


You can click on the link for the graphics if you want..
I chalk it down to Ripleys Believe it or not.. The league has become a real odditorium for sure..
Oddly enough I'll keep watching the National Fixed League or call it the National Fiction League.. Either one works for me.