• I'd like to see Dalton and Green take a few of our younger receivers (I'm thinking Ross, Boyd and maybe Malone) and do some work with them on routes and timing - maybe host a "camp" in a nice quality warm weather destination and have them do route after route and spend some time breaking down film from other quality passing systems together.  Build some timing and chemistry and maybe break the alienation created by coaching staff throwing certain players under the bus.
  

• I'd like to see the DBs do something similar that includes just receiving skills.   How many interceptions did they drop in 2017?  It wouldn't hurt to review some film to do some problem solving with their zone coverage.
  

• Have the linebackers, the TEs and running backs do nothing but running and covering routes.
  

• Have the offensive linemen do a "technique camp" with Willie Anderson and Anthony Munoz (and maybe McNally?  He's not on staff...).   You hear that there's no time to work on technique during the season.  And now we've been hearing that there's no time to work on technique in freaking camp!!   What's a multi million dollar group of athletes to do???  And it wouldn't be a bad idea to maybe look at some coaching film of the Superbowl to get an idea of how good offensive lines operate as a group.
  

(02-14-2018, 01:32 PM)3wt Wrote: I think it goes beyond saying that I'd like to see the Bengals sign at least one quality free agent in the offseason.   Either a blue chip offensive lineman or blue chip 3 down backer who can shed and cover - or maybe even two (gasp). 

But as long as I'm dreaming I'd also like to see the core of the big name veteran players take some leadership and do some work in the offseason to upgrade the younger members of the team.  For example:

• I'd like to see Dalton and Green take a few of our younger receivers (I'm thinking Ross, Boyd and maybe Malone) and do some work with them on routes and timing - maybe host a "camp" in a nice quality warm weather destination and have them do route after route and spend some time breaking down film from other quality passing systems together.  Build some timing and chemistry and maybe break the alienation created by coaching staff throwing certain players under the bus.
  

• I'd like to see the DBs do something similar that includes just receiving skills.   How many interceptions did they drop in 2017?  It wouldn't hurt to review some film to do some problem solving with their zone coverage.
  

• Have the linebackers, the TEs and running backs do nothing but running and covering routes.
  

• Have the offensive linemen do a "technique camp" with Willie Anderson and Anthony Munoz (and maybe McNally?  He's not on staff...).   You hear that there's no time to work on technique during the season.  And now we've been hearing that there's no time to work on technique in freaking camp!!   What's a multi million dollar group of athletes to do???  And it wouldn't be a bad idea to maybe look at some coaching film of the Superbowl to get an idea of how good offensive lines operate as a group.
  

Obviously this would depend on whether the players are rehabbing or not but shoot, if you want to win and go to the big time and coaches don't have time to do anything but install game plans, this would seem to be an answer.  And it doesn't have to be all work.  Go somewhere where you can have fun for a week or two and enjoy when you're not busting your butts.

Ok, I know it's not all that realistic.   But I'd like to know your thoughts.

(02-14-2018, 01:47 PM)3wt Wrote: Yeah I like your thinking.   After last season Andy has to have developed some bad habits that need breaking.   If I were him I would definitely do some work with House before getting together with his receivers.   And if he had to pick one, he really needs to get on the same page as Ross, or the experiment will never even get tried and he'll just become a bust.

It's a lot to think that all these position groups would do this.   But at least the receivers and o-linemen NEED to do it.   The defensive backs could just rent a jugs machine...

(02-14-2018, 01:32 PM)3wt Wrote: I think it goes beyond saying that I'd like to see the Bengals sign at least one quality free agent in the offseason.   Either a blue chip offensive lineman or blue chip 3 down backer who can shed and cover - or maybe even two (gasp). 

But as long as I'm dreaming I'd also like to see the core of the big name veteran players take some leadership and do some work in the offseason to upgrade the younger members of the team.  For example:

• I'd like to see Dalton and Green take a few of our younger receivers (I'm thinking Ross, Boyd and maybe Malone) and do some work with them on routes and timing - maybe host a "camp" in a nice quality warm weather destination and have them do route after route and spend some time breaking down film from other quality passing systems together.  Build some timing and chemistry and maybe break the alienation created by coaching staff throwing certain players under the bus.
  

• I'd like to see the DBs do something similar that includes just receiving skills.   How many interceptions did they drop in 2017?  It wouldn't hurt to review some film to do some problem solving with their zone coverage.
  

• Have the linebackers, the TEs and running backs do nothing but running and covering routes.
  

• Have the offensive linemen do a "technique camp" with Willie Anderson and Anthony Munoz (and maybe McNally?  He's not on staff...).   You hear that there's no time to work on technique during the season.  And now we've been hearing that there's no time to work on technique in freaking camp!!   What's a multi million dollar group of athletes to do???  And it wouldn't be a bad idea to maybe look at some coaching film of the Superbowl to get an idea of how good offensive lines operate as a group.
  

Obviously this would depend on whether the players are rehabbing or not but shoot, if you want to win and go to the big time and coaches don't have time to do anything but install game plans, this would seem to be an answer.  And it doesn't have to be all work.  Go somewhere where you can have fun for a week or two and enjoy when you're not busting your butts.

Ok, I know it's not all that realistic.   But I'd like to know your thoughts.

(02-14-2018, 02:35 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Dalton usually has the WRs down to his texas house in the offseason I believe.  they have talk about them doing things like that almost EVERY offseason

(02-14-2018, 01:32 PM)3wt Wrote: I think it goes beyond saying that I'd like to see the Bengals sign at least one quality free agent in the offseason.   Either a blue chip offensive lineman or blue chip 3 down backer who can shed and cover - or maybe even two (gasp). 

But as long as I'm dreaming I'd also like to see the core of the big name veteran players take some leadership and do some work in the offseason to upgrade the younger members of the team.  For example:

• I'd like to see Dalton and Green take a few of our younger receivers (I'm thinking Ross, Boyd and maybe Malone) and do some work with them on routes and timing - maybe host a "camp" in a nice quality warm weather destination and have them do route after route and spend some time breaking down film from other quality passing systems together.  Build some timing and chemistry and maybe break the alienation created by coaching staff throwing certain players under the bus.
  

• I'd like to see the DBs do something similar that includes just receiving skills.   How many interceptions did they drop in 2017?  It wouldn't hurt to review some film to do some problem solving with their zone coverage.
  

• Have the linebackers, the TEs and running backs do nothing but running and covering routes.
  

• Have the offensive linemen do a "technique camp" with Willie Anderson and Anthony Munoz (and maybe McNally?  He's not on staff...).   You hear that there's no time to work on technique during the season.  And now we've been hearing that there's no time to work on technique in freaking camp!!   What's a multi million dollar group of athletes to do???  And it wouldn't be a bad idea to maybe look at some coaching film of the Superbowl to get an idea of how good offensive lines operate as a group.
  

Obviously this would depend on whether the players are rehabbing or not but shoot, if you want to win and go to the big time and coaches don't have time to do anything but install game plans, this would seem to be an answer.  And it doesn't have to be all work.  Go somewhere where you can have fun for a week or two and enjoy when you're not busting your butts.

Ok, I know it's not all that realistic.   But I'd like to know your thoughts.

(02-14-2018, 01:32 PM)3wt Wrote: I think it goes beyond saying that I'd like to see the Bengals sign at least one quality free agent in the offseason.   Either a blue chip offensive lineman or blue chip 3 down backer who can shed and cover - or maybe even two (gasp). 

But as long as I'm dreaming I'd also like to see the core of the big name veteran players take some leadership and do some work in the offseason to upgrade the younger members of the team.  For example:

• I'd like to see Dalton and Green take a few of our younger receivers (I'm thinking Ross, Boyd and maybe Malone) and do some work with them on routes and timing - maybe host a "camp" in a nice quality warm weather destination and have them do route after route and spend some time breaking down film from other quality passing systems together.  Build some timing and chemistry and maybe break the alienation created by coaching staff throwing certain players under the bus.
  
  

• I'd like to see the DBs do something similar that includes just receiving skills.   How many interceptions did they drop in 2017?  It wouldn't hurt to review some film to do some problem solving with their zone coverage.
  
  

• Have the linebackers, the TEs and running backs do nothing but running and covering routes.
  
  

• Have the offensive linemen do a "technique camp" with Willie Anderson and Anthony Munoz (and maybe McNally?  He's not on staff...).   You hear that there's no time to work on technique during the season.  And now we've been hearing that there's no time to work on technique in freaking camp!!   What's a multi million dollar group of athletes to do???  And it wouldn't be a bad idea to maybe look at some coaching film of the Superbowl to get an idea of how good offensive lines operate as a group.
  
  

Obviously this would depend on whether the players are rehabbing or not but shoot, if you want to win and go to the big time and coaches don't have time to do anything but install game plans, this would seem to be an answer.  And it doesn't have to be all work.  Go somewhere where you can have fun for a week or two and enjoy when you're not busting your butts.

Ok, I know it's not all that realistic.   But I'd like to know your thoughts.

(02-14-2018, 01:32 PM)3wt Wrote: I think it goes beyond saying that I'd like to see the Bengals sign at least one quality free agent in the offseason.   Either a blue chip offensive lineman or blue chip 3 down backer who can shed and cover - or maybe even two (gasp). 

But as long as I'm dreaming I'd also like to see the core of the big name veteran players take some leadership and do some work in the offseason to upgrade the younger members of the team.  For example:

• I'd like to see Dalton and Green take a few of our younger receivers (I'm thinking Ross, Boyd and maybe Malone) and do some work with them on routes and timing - maybe host a "camp" in a nice quality warm weather destination and have them do route after route and spend some time breaking down film from other quality passing systems together.  Build some timing and chemistry and maybe break the alienation created by coaching staff throwing certain players under the bus.
  

• I'd like to see the DBs do something similar that includes just receiving skills.   How many interceptions did they drop in 2017?  It wouldn't hurt to review some film to do some problem solving with their zone coverage.
  

• Have the linebackers, the TEs and running backs do nothing but running and covering routes.
  

• Have the offensive linemen do a "technique camp" with Willie Anderson and Anthony Munoz (and maybe McNally?  He's not on staff...).   You hear that there's no time to work on technique during the season.  And now we've been hearing that there's no time to work on technique in freaking camp!!   What's a multi million dollar group of athletes to do???  And it wouldn't be a bad idea to maybe look at some coaching film of the Superbowl to get an idea of how good offensive lines operate as a group.
  

Obviously this would depend on whether the players are rehabbing or not but shoot, if you want to win and go to the big time and coaches don't have time to do anything but install game plans, this would seem to be an answer.  And it doesn't have to be all work.  Go somewhere where you can have fun for a week or two and enjoy when you're not busting your butts.

Ok, I know it's not all that realistic.   But I'd like to know your thoughts.

(02-14-2018, 03:52 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Where did you hear there is no time to work on technique in camp though? Haven't heard this.

I know Willie was working with both Og and Fisher last year. Not much of a result though.

(02-14-2018, 07:38 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Those Linemen should be doing that on their own as well.

I mean seriously, If I were playing in the NFL, I'd be learning as much as possible and working on my technique, counter moves and strength (base) all season long. It might only be played 9 months out of the year, but it's a full time job.

(02-14-2018, 05:06 PM)bengalsdh Wrote: Well I guess we are starting to address the oline.  We just signed Bobby Hart from the Giants.  OT/G

(02-14-2018, 07:20 PM)3wt Wrote: Thanks for the response Nate. 

I don't recall where I saw or heard about not having time to work on technique in camp.  I just remember being shocked to hear it.  I don't know if it was one of our players or someone interviewed by Ross Tucker.  I know I heard it and am sorry not to be able to give you a source.

I had always assumed that OTAs and Camp were where they had the time to work on technique, but the player said that even in camp the focus was on installing the offense and there was minimal work on technique.

Discouraging that Willie did not have much impact on Og and Fisher.  But I don't know how many reps there were able to get with him.

I keep trying to dream up ways of getting a couple of really good offensive linemen, a stud defensive lineman and a stud linebacker.    We'll be lucky to get a couple. 

I'd love to see us make a serious acquisition in FA for a change.   Marvin made it sound like that was a rare option this year.  We'll see!

(02-14-2018, 07:38 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Those Linemen should be doing that on their own as well.

I mean seriously, If I were playing in the NFL, I'd be learning as much as possible and working on my technique, counter moves and strength (base) all season long. It might only be played 9 months out of the year, but it's a full time job.

(02-14-2018, 07:44 PM)3wt Wrote: I know, right?  They've worked so hard to get here, even the dregs get elite money, they're off between the end of the season and the end of April (for us that's basically 4 months) and everyone says they want to go to the Superbowl.

I know you need rest, but most ex players will tell you that 2-4 weeks is all the time needed to recuperate if you're not injured.  They have the money between them to pay a significant fee.

Plus, it would just be fun.   I know Whit organized some things.  I'd love to see one of these guys step up and organize something.

Dalton has done that in the past.   But we need more than one leader on this team.

(02-14-2018, 01:32 PM)3wt Wrote: I think it goes beyond saying that I'd like to see the Bengals sign at least one quality free agent in the offseason.   Either a blue chip offensive lineman or blue chip 3 down backer who can shed and cover - or maybe even two (gasp). 

But as long as I'm dreaming I'd also like to see the core of the big name veteran players take some leadership and do some work in the offseason to upgrade the younger members of the team.  For example:

• I'd like to see Dalton and Green take a few of our younger receivers (I'm thinking Ross, Boyd and maybe Malone) and do some work with them on routes and timing - maybe host a "camp" in a nice quality warm weather destination and have them do route after route and spend some time breaking down film from other quality passing systems together.  Build some timing and chemistry and maybe break the alienation created by coaching staff throwing certain players under the bus.
  

• I'd like to see the DBs do something similar that includes just receiving skills.   How many interceptions did they drop in 2017?  It wouldn't hurt to review some film to do some problem solving with their zone coverage.
  

• Have the linebackers, the TEs and running backs do nothing but running and covering routes.
  

• Have the offensive linemen do a "technique camp" with Willie Anderson and Anthony Munoz (and maybe McNally?  He's not on staff...).   You hear that there's no time to work on technique during the season.  And now we've been hearing that there's no time to work on technique in freaking camp!!   What's a multi million dollar group of athletes to do???  And it wouldn't be a bad idea to maybe look at some coaching film of the Superbowl to get an idea of how good offensive lines operate as a group.
  

Obviously this would depend on whether the players are rehabbing or not but shoot, if you want to win and go to the big time and coaches don't have time to do anything but install game plans, this would seem to be an answer.  And it doesn't have to be all work.  Go somewhere where you can have fun for a week or two and enjoy when you're not busting your butts.

Ok, I know it's not all that realistic.   But I'd like to know your thoughts.

(02-16-2018, 04:34 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Sure loved seeing that Pollack video on bengals.com.

Got me excited actually. I bet the O-line is majorly improved this season just cause of this guy.

If we actually give him a couple other guys like Nate Solder and Frank Ragnow look the hell out.

(02-16-2018, 05:03 PM)3wt Wrote: Truly hope you're right Nate.   My skept-o-meter is going off though.   Really weird that Dallas was in a hurry to trade position coaches...