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Miscarriage of Justice - PhilHos - 07-17-2018 Tell me how this can happen. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-news-woman-hangs-toddler-avoids-prison-20180717-story.html Quote:A former day care provider who hanged a toddler in her Minneapolis home was let off the hook by a judge who cited a "perfect storm" of events in sentencing her to probation. I don't understand how someone can be caught hanging a 2 year-old and hitting 3 different people with her car -1 of which was dragged a significant distance - gets virtually no prison time. Can anyone make sense of this? I mean, even if she was found not guilty by insanity, wouldn't she still have to spend significant time "locked away" in a mental institution? RE: Miscarriage of Justice - Tiger Teeth - 07-18-2018 This doesn't even make sense. That judge needs to be removed from the bench. Period. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - HarleyDog - 07-18-2018 Fred will chime in soon with lawyer type stuff. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - michaelsean - 07-18-2018 Yeah I can't even come up with a bad explanation. "We don't think she will do it again?" So you get a hanging a toddler freebie? I can't think of many more horrific crimes. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - XenoMorph - 07-18-2018 (07-17-2018, 06:33 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Tell me how this can happen. it said she did already serve 20 months... But I wouldn't agree shes not a risk to commit more crimes... We don't have Mental insitutions anymore RE: Miscarriage of Justice - PhilHos - 07-18-2018 (07-18-2018, 09:01 AM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: This doesn't even make sense. That judge needs to be removed from the bench. Period. At the very least, the judge needs some kind of punishment for this. (07-18-2018, 09:09 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: Fred will chime in soon with lawyer type stuff. I hope he does. I can't fathom how someone can nearly kill 3 people and their punishment is time served (which turns out to be less than 2 years) and probation. That's ridiculous and inexcusable. And I'd like the opinion of someone who works in the legal field. (07-18-2018, 10:06 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Yeah I can't even come up with a bad explanation. "We don't think she will do it again?" So you get a hanging a toddler freebie? I can't think of many more horrific crimes. Yep, the toddler is probably mentally scarred and will have to live with this for a long time, if not the rest of their life, but they should be comforted in knowhing that she PROBABLY won't do this to someone else. (07-18-2018, 11:06 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: it said she did already serve 20 months.. True, but nearly killing 3 people - one of which was a toddler in her care - should be punished more severely than 1 and a half years in prison. (07-18-2018, 11:06 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: We don't have Mental insitutions anymore The point being that even people who commit more heinous crimes and are found not guilty by reason of insanity are still basically locked away for some time. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - Tiger Teeth - 07-18-2018 (07-18-2018, 11:06 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: it said she did already serve 20 months... But I wouldn't agree shes not a risk to commit more crimes... My wife is a nurse at a State Hospital which is a mental institution. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - XenoMorph - 07-18-2018 (07-18-2018, 11:27 AM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: My wife is a nurse at a State Hospital which is a mental institution. doesn't mean there is one in that area. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - Benton - 07-18-2018 (07-18-2018, 11:22 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Possible, but not necessarily. Depending on the laws of the state, sentences for third degree assault and attempted murder could be low. If there were no firearms or drug enhancements, there may be a low max sentence. And if it's a first time offender, and extenuating circumstances, a judge may be lenient in sentencing. It's not uncommon in some areas for simple assault or attempted murder to get pled and have a long probation sentence rather than a long court trial and also a long jail sentence... part of which would have been served during the long trial. I know when cases like this gets coverage and stand out it's easy to say "hey, that judge is a moron, how could this happen!?" but if that judge has been on the bench more than a few years, this probably isn't so uncommon comparatively. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - fredtoast - 07-18-2018 If this behavior was a psychotic event that occurred due to unusual circumstances that are unlikely to happen again then this is an appropriate sentence. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - michaelsean - 07-18-2018 She hung a three year old, and only the arrival of someone else saved that child. Not a child accidentally got hung due to her negligence. She tied a noose and hung him. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - Tiger Teeth - 07-18-2018 (07-18-2018, 01:32 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: doesn't mean there is one in that area. True. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - PhilHos - 07-19-2018 (07-18-2018, 02:10 PM)Benton Wrote: Possible, but not necessarily. (07-18-2018, 02:39 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If this behavior was a psychotic event that occurred due to unusual circumstances that are unlikely to happen again then this is an appropriate sentence. She actively tried to kill a TODDLER and in the process of escaping that situation nearly killed 2 others and hit someone else's vehicle. I don't see how whether or not she'd do it again should even be a factor to consider. Not to mention that's at least 4 different crimes right there and I'm sure you could add even more. It just seems that, unless this was part of a plea bargain, that there should have been more serious repercussions. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - Millhouse - 07-19-2018 On the surface it looks like she should have gotten more time. But without knowing all the specifics involved, I dont know. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - Benton - 07-19-2018 (07-19-2018, 10:50 AM)PhilHos Wrote: She actively tried to kill a TODDLER and in the process of escaping that situation nearly killed 2 others and hit someone else's vehicle. I don't see how whether or not she'd do it again should even be a factor to consider. Not to mention that's at least 4 different crimes right there and I'm sure you could add even more. It just seems that, unless this was part of a plea bargain, that there should have been more serious repercussions. The stories I've read haven't mentioned a plea deal, which may not mean anything. Prosecutors (especially those who are elected) don't always like to publicize that they offered less time instead of going to a harsher sentence, especially in high profile cases. I'm surprised it's 10 years probation instead of a deferred sentence. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - bengalfan74 - 07-19-2018 (07-18-2018, 02:45 PM)michaelsean Wrote: She hung a three year old, and only the arrival of someone else saved that child. Not a child accidentally got hung due to her negligence. She tied a noose and hung him. Right She didn't backhand a small child out of the high chair knocking him over injuring him, in a fit of rage, which would have been bad enough. She took a rope, tied it around a defenseless child's neck, hung it up and left it to die. Vastly different RE: Miscarriage of Justice - fredtoast - 07-19-2018 This was not a plea bargain. The judge gave her the sentence. Sentencing is a complicated issue. If additional jail time is not needed as a deterrent to future crime or to protect the public then this was the proper sentence. Sentencing involves more than just what a person did. It involves "why" they did it. Two people can commit the same action but get very different sentences based on the context and motive. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - PhilHos - 07-19-2018 (07-19-2018, 02:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sentencing is a complicated issue. If additional jail time is not needed as a deterrent to future crime or to protect the public then this was the proper sentence. But, why? She tried to kill a kid and nearly killed 2 more. How is 20 months in prison and probation a proper sentence? (07-19-2018, 02:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sentencing involves more than just what a person did. It involves "why" they did it. Two people can commit the same action but get very different sentences based on the context and motive. I get that, but I don't understand how trying to kill a kid and then nearly killing 2 more people when fleeing from that first crime doesn't warrant a harsher sentence without extenuating circumstances? RE: Miscarriage of Justice - masonbengals fan - 07-20-2018 Her sentence should be for what she did not what she will do. RE: Miscarriage of Justice - HarleyDog - 07-20-2018 (07-19-2018, 04:27 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I get that, but I don't understand how trying to kill a kid and then nearly killing 2 more people when fleeing from that first crime doesn't warrant a harsher sentence without extenuating circumstances? That's a public opinion. In most if not all cases, if someone commits a crime, some want maximum judgement. However, if it was their spouse or child who did the same thing, they would want leniency. There are probably a lot of circumstances in this case we are not privy to. Although my first thought is to agree with you because I'm not privy as well, and based on what you posted in the OP I'm with you. However, I'm not sure I could confidently say either of us would feel the same if we were sitting on the bench and heard the whole story. That's what sucks about it all. 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