(01-19-2019, 08:58 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: Hope they don’t do anything until it’s warranted. But then again, I’m still recovering from Whitworth ordeal.

(01-19-2019, 09:18 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: And that is the conundrum,  we had with players like Whiworth so we draft tackles in 1/2 round to replace a solid but aging player and it does not work out and the player moves on and is productive still

(01-19-2019, 05:48 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Maybe our window with Green/Dalton/Atkins/etc. isn't exactly closing with how much longer players seem to be playing these days, but these players won't be in their prime for that much longer, so how much of our future would you sell to pick up potential difference makers in this year's draft?

I see some people picking one of the tackles in mock drafts and other people going after a guy like Devin White to solidify our backing core, so is either guy a big enough difference maker to trade away future picks to try and go all-in for this year?

Do you think we should just stay put with everything in the draft and hope we get some difference makers and then maybe we'll be active in free agency?

Will we go all-in to win this year with the draft and/or free agents?  Should we?

(01-19-2019, 10:31 AM)Daddy-O Wrote: The draft is a crap shoot for the most part.  If you were to sell these core players the best you could do would be to land another 1st rounder.  We already have the number 11 pick which should provide the difference maker you covet - if selected correctly of course.

We know what we have in the guys you mentioned so why gamble away for hope and potential.  I am of the mindset, although not a popular one on these boards, that this team is still very close to competing.  LB is one major weakness that needs to be addressed, and maybe a guard on the O-line.

I want to see what this team can do with new coaching before starting over.

(01-19-2019, 05:48 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Maybe our window with Green/Dalton/Atkins/etc. isn't exactly closing with how much longer players seem to be playing these days, but these players won't be in their prime for that much longer, so how much of our future would you sell to pick up potential difference makers in this year's draft?

I see some people picking one of the tackles in mock drafts and other people going after a guy like Devin White to solidify our backing core, so is either guy a big enough difference maker to trade away future picks to try and go all-in for this year?

Do you think we should just stay put with everything in the draft and hope we get some difference makers and then maybe we'll be active in free agency?

Will we go all-in to win this year with the draft and/or free agents?  Should we?

(01-19-2019, 01:30 PM)HuDey Wrote: In my opinion it would be a waste of time and resources to try to gear up for a Super Bowl run within the next two years. Doing so would only result in failure and delay the inevitable and much needed reboot. There are too many holes to fill, and as many have stated, there is no guarantee that players drafted to fill those holes will pan out. Also what difference makers are even available in FA? Would they come to play here even if we gave them a serious offer?

The rebuild is coming and I would rather start it sooner rather than continue to watch our mediocre QB behind our lousy O-line try to keep up with the points given up by our lousy defense.

(01-19-2019, 11:46 AM)The Real Deal Wrote: To put it quite frankly, I’d be surprised if we were legit contenders this season. As has been outlined above, I just think there are too many spots to fill in one offseason. Maybe they will surprise me and be Uber aggressive this offseason, but even if they do, there is now guarantee that the players will all work out. In my opinion being a real contender this season is a long shot. This year I’m mostly looking to see these players take to the new system  and show us that the future looks bright under Taylor. And if in the process they do end up being contenders this year, it a huge bonus.

(01-19-2019, 01:30 PM)HuDey Wrote: In my opinion it would be a waste of time and resources to try to gear up for a Super Bowl run within the next two years. Doing so would only result in failure and delay the inevitable and much needed reboot. There are too many holes to fill, and as many have stated, there is no guarantee that players drafted to fill those holes will pan out. Also what difference makers are even available in FA? Would they come to play here even if we gave them a serious offer?

The rebuild is coming and I would rather start it sooner rather than continue to watch our mediocre QB behind our lousy O-line try to keep up with the points given up by our lousy defense.

(01-19-2019, 11:34 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The windows should always be open, why would they ever close? Steelers have a 35+ year old QB, look to be losing HOF receiver Brown and great running back Bell, but they will survive and win. Pats have a 40+ year QB, old TE Gronk and WR Edelman, they will survive.

If our defense was consistently top 5, I would say the loss of studs to age would worry me, but truth be told these so called great players don't produce an elite unit. AD can play for 10 more years. Green should be goof for 3 to 5 so time to find his replacement.

(01-19-2019, 11:34 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The windows should always be open, why would they ever close? Steelers have a 35+ year old QB, look to be losing HOF receiver Brown and great running back Bell, but they will survive and win. Pats have a 40+ year QB, old TE Gronk and WR Edelman, they will survive.

If our defense was consistently top 5, I would say the loss of studs to age would worry me, but truth be told these so called great players don't produce an elite unit. AD can play for 10 more years. Green should be goof for 3 to 5 so time to find his replacement.

(01-19-2019, 05:48 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Maybe our window with Green/Dalton/Atkins/etc. isn't exactly closing with how much longer players seem to be playing these days, but these players won't be in their prime for that much longer, so how much of our future would you sell to pick up potential difference makers in this year's draft?

I see some people picking one of the tackles in mock drafts and other people going after a guy like Devin White to solidify our backing core, so is either guy a big enough difference maker to trade away future picks to try and go all-in for this year?

Do you think we should just stay put with everything in the draft and hope we get some difference makers and then maybe we'll be active in free agency?

Will we go all-in to win this year with the draft and/or free agents? Should we?

(01-19-2019, 02:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Okay, if we had no one other than the guys on rookie contracts here right now how long do you predict it would take to "re-build"?

I don’t recall saying that I wanted to replace EVERY player not on a rookie deal, but yes some of them should be traded if possible and if the compensation makes sense.

We have a lot of talented players here, but it has taken several years to accumulate them.  I don't know how we could be better off re-building with zero than rebuilding with established players.

Again, I don’t wish to build from “zero”, but I do believe that this team needs some new on-field leadership just as badly as they needed it on the sidelines

Since the draft is a crap shoot then any "re-boot" based just on draft picks is also a crap shoot.  It is much smarter to work with the players we have already found and reduce our gambling with draft picks to just the few major holes that we have right now.  On offense we need 2 O-linemen and a TE, On defense we need 2 or 3 LBs and a DT (if we re-sign Dennard).  We are not going to get a huge pile of picks for our older expensive players and we are not going to hit on 100% of our picks.

I would not attempt to build with just draft picks. I would try to supplement with a few key free agent signings. The reason that I do not want to build around our current core is because first of all I don’t buy that we are only a few players away. In my opinion we need to replace at least 3 starters on the O-line, and all 3 starters at LB. I believe that it will take a couple of years to get those pieces in place and then maybe another year or two to get the young players playing at a high level. If you are content to squeak into the playoffs and then get embarrassed by the real contenders, then building around our current core might get you there. If you want to try to build a true contender then you might have to make some uncomfortable decisions and try something different.