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Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - THE PISTONS - 02-14-2019
Not saying Taylor was a bad hire, but we're seeing the Con of hiring a coach with not a lot of NFL experience...they don't have the connections made with other coaches in the NFL and the pull to get them to come to Cincy.
We're seeing it big-time with the DC search with a lot of these guys turning the job down. It's pretty unprecedented to not have a DC at this point.
We've also seen it in lesser ways with some of the coaching hires as he seems to be hiring within his network of friends...and they are also very inexperienced and some of their track records aren't very great.
Not saying this is bad, as it is basically all unknown at this point...but I'm starting to be concerned about it.
We do need atleast 1 coach with experience to help to run training camp/practice/etc.
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - Wyche'sWarrior - 02-14-2019
(02-14-2019, 04:21 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Not saying Taylor was a bad hire, but we're seeing the Con of hiring a coach with not a lot of NFL experience...they don't have the connections made with other coaches in the NFL and the pull to get them to come to Cincy.
We're seeing it big-time with the DC search with a lot of these guys turning the job down. It's pretty unprecedented to not have a DC at this point.
We've also seen it in lesser ways with some of the coaching hires as he seems to be hiring within his network of friends...and they are also very inexperienced and some of their track records aren't very great.
Not saying this is bad, as it is basically all unknown at this point...but I'm starting to be concerned about it.
We do need atleast 1 coach with experience to help to run training camp/practice/etc.
Simmons has been here 16 years......Van Pelt has been around, as has Bicknell.
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - THE PISTONS - 02-14-2019
(02-14-2019, 04:34 PM)Wyche Wrote: Simmons has been here 16 years......Van Pelt has been around, as has Bicknell.
Simmons has all of his experience here under Marvin.
We needed to add an experienced OC or DC.
I don't see a QB Coach or Bicknell moving the needle much.
Simmons? - Who knows. He's a special teams coach.
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - grampahol - 02-14-2019
I'm not exactly inspired to think the coming season will be full of greatness. Sure, a few players may thrive, but as a whole? It's becoming less and less inspiring. I wouldn't be too surprised if some of the remaining coaches decide to jump ship before the season starts.. Then what?
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - McC - 02-14-2019
(02-14-2019, 04:50 PM)grampahol Wrote: I'm not exactly inspired to think the coming season will be full of greatness. Sure, a few players may thrive, but as a whole? It's becoming less and less inspiring. I wouldn't be too surprised if some of the remaining coaches decide to jump ship before the season starts.. Then what?
Well, we could still have Marvin. He's got experience up the wazoo.
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - THE PISTONS - 02-14-2019
(02-14-2019, 04:50 PM)grampahol Wrote: I'm not exactly inspired to think the coming season will be full of greatness. Sure, a few players may thrive, but as a whole? It's becoming less and less inspiring. I wouldn't be too surprised if some of the remaining coaches decide to jump ship before the season starts.. Then what?
Yeah it just feels like we're going with plan E and F in a lot of cases.
The guys that appear to have been Plan A like the offensive line coach appear underwhelming.
Could we surprise and win 10 games? I suppose. Could we win 4-5 games? I suppose.
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - Wyche'sWarrior - 02-14-2019
(02-14-2019, 04:37 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Simmons has all of his experience here under Marvin.
We needed to add an experienced OC or DC.
I don't see a QB Coach or Bicknell moving the needle much.
Simmons? - Who knows. He's a special teams coach.
My point was they are all very well seasoned NFL coaches. They've been around a few training camps.
Otherwise, I get the concern. I'd like a DC with some experience, but OC doesn't concern me that much. There is a good mix of youth and veteran on that side of the ball. I like the idea of the unknown there. Defenses won't know what to expect, in that regard.
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - Wyche'sWarrior - 02-14-2019
(02-14-2019, 04:54 PM)McC Wrote: Well, we could still have Marvin. He's got experience up the wazoo.
^^^^^^^This x infinityyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - THE PISTONS - 02-14-2019
I do agree that a change was needed.
I just wish that the assistant hires seemed to have more of a plan.
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - Wyche'sWarrior - 02-14-2019
(02-14-2019, 04:58 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I do agree that a change was needed.
I just wish that the assistant hires seemed to have more of a plan.
From what I've read, he has a plan.....and maybe he's overthinking said plan and being a little too picky. That would be the only concern I have. From all sources regarding the guy, he's very deliberate and meticulous.
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - McC - 02-14-2019
(02-14-2019, 04:58 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I do agree that a change was needed.
I just wish that the assistant hires seemed to have more of a plan.
In the interest of your sanity, try the approach I've decided to take. It'll either work or it won't and no amount of fretting by you or me or anyone else will make even one iota of a difference. No one will know until September. Do you have six months of worry in you?
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - McC - 02-14-2019
(02-14-2019, 05:02 PM)Wyche Wrote: From what I've read, he has a plan.....and maybe he's overthinking said plan and being a little too picky. That would be the only concern I have. From all sources regarding the guy, he's very deliberate and meticulous.
I just keep going back to the fact that so many smart NFL people have repeatedly said this guy is ready to be a HC.
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - grampahol - 02-14-2019
(02-14-2019, 04:54 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yeah it just feels like we're going with plan E and F in a lot of cases.
The guys that appear to have been Plan A like the offensive line coach appear underwhelming.
Could we surprise and win 10 games? I suppose. Could we win 4-5 games? I suppose.
I suppose 0 wins could be in our future as well. Maybe they're planning on tanking for that coveted #1 pick! woooo... uhhh..hoo..
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - Synric - 02-14-2019
I'd say this would fall under Duke Tobin rather than Zac Taylor.
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - jj22 - 02-14-2019
Let's just get through 2019. It's about a wash at this point. All focus (even Hobspin admits is on 2020).
That's why we need to rebuild Browns style and try to trade as many players as we can. Our Vets aren't going to achieve much of nothing else here for the next couple years.
Free them to try to have some late career success. Players like Atkins, Green, Dunlap, and even Dalton deserve that.
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - Wyche'sWarrior - 02-14-2019
(02-14-2019, 06:06 PM)jj22 Wrote: Let's just get through 2019. It's about a wash at this point. All focus (even Hobspin admits is on 2020).
Hell, I said that 2019 was before Merv left.
RE: Hiring an Inexperienced Coached - A Con - THE PISTONS - 02-14-2019
(02-14-2019, 06:06 PM)jj22 Wrote: Let's just get through 2019. It's about a wash at this point. All focus (even Hobspin admits is on 2020).
That's why we need to rebuild Browns style and try to trade as many players as we can. Our Vets aren't going to achieve much of nothing else here for the next couple years.
Free them to try to have some late career success. Players like Atkins, Green, Dunlap, and even Dalton deserve that.
Which is an issue. Our core players are 30 in win now mode. But, we have a lot of holes that may take 2-3 years to fill and the veterans will be too old to win.