Quote:So do tank tops worn in the manner I saw this past weekend, when I had difficulty focusing on the face of the waitress who served my husband and me. Her breasts and her cleavage were so purposefully accentuated that my eyes naturally gravitated in that direction.

(04-03-2019, 10:10 AM)Au165 Wrote: No, she (ND Mom) isn't right. Her last paragraph opens with the below line, and that basically sums up the real motive and why she got all the backlash she got.

"Could you think of the mothers of sons the next time you go shopping and consider choosing jeans instead?"

(04-03-2019, 12:18 AM)Beaker Wrote: "Are women entitled to wear what they please? Absolutely. But they're not entitled to wear what they please and then demand everyone in their midst pretend they don't notice.

(04-03-2019, 10:28 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: dude I have seen things that cant be unseen...  I would like women to wear actual pants not yoga pants outside of yoga class cause most of these people wearing them have never done yoga.   (also leggings are worn under something not as pants.)


I will say though those things seem to be able to hold in ungodly amounts of flesh.

(04-06-2019, 01:50 PM)Beaker Wrote: You simply cannot dismiss basic biology. Men are visual in respect to sexuality. If a woman wears clothing that accentuates or reveals more of her body, men will immediately be aware....every time. That does not mean that they will (or should) act upon their basic instincts, but primally driven thoughts will occur. I agree that women should be free to choose to wear whatever they want. But to claim that men shouldn't notice, or that they will not be distracted by seeing women dressed certain ways is dismissive of nature. Yes, they can control themselves, and are to blame if they don't, but they will all still look at a woman dressed that way and have sexual thoughts just as their biology dictates.

(04-06-2019, 01:50 PM)Beaker Wrote: You simply cannot dismiss basic biology. Men are visual in respect to sexuality. If a woman wears clothing that accentuates or reveals more of her body, men will immediately be aware....every time. That does not mean that they will (or should) act upon their basic instincts, but primally driven thoughts will occur. I agree that women should be free to choose to wear whatever they want. But to claim that men shouldn't notice, or that they will not be distracted by seeing women dressed certain ways is dismissive of nature. Yes, they can control themselves, and are to blame if they don't, but they will all still look at a woman dressed that way and have sexual thoughts just as their biology dictates.

(04-06-2019, 02:15 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: When I was in puberty years, there would be situations where I would get an erection when I didn’t want one.

(04-06-2019, 01:50 PM)Beaker Wrote: You simply cannot dismiss basic biology. Men are visual in respect to sexuality. If a woman wears clothing that accentuates or reveals more of her body, men will immediately be aware....every time. That does not mean that they will (or should) act upon their basic instincts, but primally driven thoughts will occur. I agree that women should be free to choose to wear whatever they want. But to claim that men shouldn't notice, or that they will not be distracted by seeing women dressed certain ways is dismissive of nature. Yes, they can control themselves, and are to blame if they don't, but they will all still look at a woman dressed that way and have sexual thoughts just as their biology dictates.

(04-06-2019, 09:46 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: Only when their are trained by society that a woman's body is taboo to show.

There are plenty of places where young boys are subjected to breasts or nudity at a young age and don't react that way.  Be it tribal cultures or places in South America or around the Mediterranean, they don't have a reaction to women the way men and boys in the U.S. do because they have been subjected to it all their lives.

(04-07-2019, 02:18 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Leggings are not different from tight jeans or a snug sweater.  If a boy is going to be distarcted by the female body it does not have to be in leggings.

So where do we draw the line?  How could ND mom object to leggings and not tight jeans or t-shirt.  What about not wearing a bra?

(04-07-2019, 02:43 PM)Synric Wrote: Would this mean I wouldnt be allowed to wear my Friday Night Bar jeans that makes my junk look bigger?

(04-07-2019, 03:52 PM)Beaker Wrote:  She was simply asking girls to consider their choices for different situations like classrooms and church, vs going out to a party or club. She said women are free to do as they choose. 

(04-07-2019, 04:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes.  I know what she asked.  My question is "What is tha harm?"

We all agree that peoples rights can be limited if there is smoe sort of harm to be prevented.  So If you are going to suggest women limit thie wardrobe you have to be able to tell them "Why".

So what is the harm?

(04-07-2019, 11:22 PM)Beaker Wrote: Again, who is speaking of limiting anyone's rights? Considering when to wear different outfits is hardly limiting of rights. Most people of either sex have to consider their attire choices every day. And each time you usually have to consider how you will be perceived by others. As a lawyer, you have attire that's appropriate for the courtroom, for working in your office, or working in your yard. Taking into consideration how you will be viewed in each of those situations is not limiting your rights. 

(04-06-2019, 09:46 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: Only when their are trained by society that a woman's body is taboo to show.

There are plenty of places where young boys are subjected to breasts or nudity at a young age and don't react that way.  Be it tribal cultures or places in South America or around the Mediterranean, they don't have a reaction to women the way men and boys in the U.S. do because they have been subjected to it all their lives.