(10-01-2019, 10:07 AM)jj22 Wrote: We shouldn't have to. We should be able to trust Tobin.

Which we can't with a player overhaul. We are about to hit bottom and unlike the Dolphins, have no extra picks to show for it.

The teams in for it as we wait this aging roster out to start over. By then hopefully ZT will be wiser. But it will still take awhile to build the roster back up to a contender, especially with the misses coming in the draft all to often these last 7 years.

ZT just needs to coach and fix the Offense. He's got enough on his plate.

(10-01-2019, 10:19 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Have you ever seen the movie “Down Periscope” with Kelsey Grammer?  Zac Taylor is Kelsey Grammer and the Bengals are the USS Stingray.

(10-01-2019, 09:57 AM)sonofstat Wrote: Lots of back and forth on whether the record is primarily the product of inheriting a poor squad or poor coaching (obviously its both but that's too pragmatic a position for a message board right!   )

So, simple question.  

In the off season do you trust Zac leading a significant player overhaul?

What was in his control clearly this off season was the coaching overhaul and that looks dubious at the moment with particularly Turner and Lou in the crosshairs.

But do you feel confident in him assembling a roster.

Does he knows where to get his new QB, whether he values LB position or not and will invest in it, is he a 4-3/3-4 guy and does he know what players he needs to get there, does he want small speedy WR's / big bodies etc,etc.

(10-01-2019, 10:51 AM)ochocincos Wrote: It's hard to say.
Zac Taylor couldn't technically start working with the Bengals until Feb 4.
He then had to assemble his entire staff, of which took practically the entire month.
That left very little time to research and plan for players in FA.
I think because of that whirlwind, the team relied on re-signing players like Hart, Brown, Uzomah, Eifert, and Dennard while signing backup-caliber outside FAs with ties to Anarumo like BW Webb and Kerry Wynn.

I'm willing to give Taylor one more offseason to turn things around since he'll have a full offseason starting 12/30/19 (day after Week 17) to fully dive into everything.
I'm really hoping we see one of two approaches:
1) Team truly identifies the age of the core talented players and goes all in for 2020 by picking up quality starters in FA who are in the Top 15 at their position.
2) Go full rebuild and not have the following players back who will be in the final year of their contracts or will hit FA: Green, Dalton, Glenn, Eifert, Vigil, Dennard, Smith. I'd also look to trade/cut Kirkpatrick, Hart, Brown. If the Bengals go this option, they would have $100+ mill to spend. Some FAs I'd love to see are Littleton, Castonzo and/or Bulaga, and a WR (there are plenty solid vet options to pick from).

(10-01-2019, 09:57 AM)sonofstat Wrote: Lots of back and forth on whether the record is primarily the product of inheriting a poor squad or poor coaching (obviously its both but that's too pragmatic a position for a message board right!   )

So, simple question.  

In the off season do you trust Zac leading a significant player overhaul?

What was in his control clearly this off season was the coaching overhaul and that looks dubious at the moment with particularly Turner and Lou in the crosshairs.

But do you feel confident in him assembling a roster.

Does he knows where to get his new QB, whether he values LB position or not and will invest in it, is he a 4-3/3-4 guy and does he know what players he needs to get there, does he want small speedy WR's / big bodies etc,etc.

(10-01-2019, 10:51 AM)ochocincos Wrote: It's hard to say.
Zac Taylor couldn't technically start working with the Bengals until Feb 4.
He then had to assemble his entire staff, of which took practically the entire month.
That left very little time to research and plan for players in FA.
I think because of that whirlwind, the team relied on re-signing players like Hart, Brown, Uzomah, Eifert, and Dennard while signing backup-caliber outside FAs with ties to Anarumo like BW Webb and Kerry Wynn.

I'm willing to give Taylor one more offseason to turn things around since he'll have a full offseason starting 12/30/19 (day after Week 17) to fully dive into everything.
I'm really hoping we see one of two approaches:
1) Team truly identifies the age of the core talented players and goes all in for 2020 by picking up quality starters in FA who are in the Top 15 at their position.
2) Go full rebuild and not have the following players back who will be in the final year of their contracts or will hit FA: Green, Dalton, Glenn, Eifert, Vigil, Dennard, Smith. I'd also look to trade/cut Kirkpatrick, Hart, Brown. If the Bengals go this option, they would have $100+ mill to spend. Some FAs I'd love to see are Littleton, Castonzo and/or Bulaga, and a WR (there are plenty solid vet options to pick from).

(10-01-2019, 10:33 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: To me, it's hard to envision what sort of personnel moves that Zac would make, without knowing how much control and authority is granted to him.  Honestly?  I'm hoping that the team looks to upgrade some of the coaching positions, as well as build/rebuild the roster.

(10-01-2019, 02:37 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Supposedly Taylor evaluated our roster...so presumably he had atleast some say in keeping Hart and Brown. IF he said they were bad, I doubt the Bengals would have kept them.

I feel like the team banked on a new staff making these guys better.

Maybe Taylor was a smooth talker and fooled management?

(10-01-2019, 02:37 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Supposedly Taylor evaluated our roster...so presumably he had atleast some say in keeping Hart and Brown. IF he said they were bad, I doubt the Bengals would have kept them.

I feel like the team banked on a new staff making these guys better.

Maybe Taylor was a smooth talker and fooled management?