(10-28-2019, 01:03 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: OT
guard
guard
backer
backer
QB
WR
DB
DB
DE

I would say 9-10

(10-28-2019, 12:45 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I'll try to do this scientifically. We're halfway through the year. I'll use PFF ratings...and say that anyone below a 60 needs replaced.

But, you also need high-end talent. Basically most of our roster is in the mid-60's or below with the exception of maybe 6-7 players. We have no guys on offense or defense in the 80's that start.

Offense:

TE: (Assuming no Eifert next year who's hovering right around 60.) Sample - 53. Uzomah - 45.4.
G: Jordan - 32.9, Price 35.6. (Pretty near the point where it's time to call Price a bust and move on.)
RT: Bobby Hart 55.0

Note: John Jerry is right around 60. He's been fairly solid. Jonah will obviously replace him.

Honestly, people act like the entire line has been bad...but it really hasn't. There are only 3 starters rated below 60 on offense.

Which leads be to think that the issues are more playcalling/scheme than players.

Defense:
3rd CB: Webb - 57.1
S: Bates - 45.9
S: Williams - 52.0
LB: Pratt - 42.7
LB: Brown - 44.5
LB: Vigil - 50.4


So that's about 8-9 guys that play regularly that are playing extremely poor. Almost HALF of our starters.

Jonah/Glenn would replace Jerry who's actually been a decent Tackle.

Then, AJ Green would replace another WR...but the WR ratings aren't terrible. They're in the low 70's. So there's some upgrade there.

(10-28-2019, 03:05 PM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: So you're saying that Jim Turner has done a better job than people have credited him for and that Sample wasn't as bad a pick as people make out as he's already outplaying Uzomah (and as a rookie can be expected to step up a level next year).... 

Surprised to see Pratt so low after everyone said he couldn't possibly be worse than Vigil or Brown. It seems like PFF says the Bengals were right with their draft grades as Sample > Pratt > Jordan. 

(10-28-2019, 01:03 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: OT
guard
guard
backer
backer
QB
WR
DB
DB
DE

I would say 9-10

(10-28-2019, 03:18 PM)ochocincos Wrote: For me, it's:
QB
3 OL
2 LB
1-2 DL (nickel DT for sure)
1 CB


I think Darius Phillips can be a solid 3rd CB, and he was doing really well until he got hurt.
I think WRs are fine with Green, Boyd, Ross, and Tate.

Realistically, you're only going to get 3 immediate quality contributors from the draft, so they can't just rely on the 2020 draft to get there.

(10-28-2019, 03:32 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: 3 quality contributors Day 1 from a draft is a huge ask. We're lucky if we get 1.

(10-28-2019, 03:34 PM)ochocincos Wrote: True. I should have put "at best" in there.

(10-28-2019, 12:45 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I'll try to do this scientifically. We're halfway through the year. I'll use PFF ratings...and say that anyone below a 60 needs replaced.

But, you also need high-end talent. Basically most of our roster is in the mid-60's or below with the exception of maybe 6-7 players. We have no guys on offense or defense in the 80's that start.

Offense:

TE: (Assuming no Eifert next year who's hovering right around 60.) Sample - 53. Uzomah - 45.4.
G: Jordan - 32.9, Price 35.6. (Pretty near the point where it's time to call Price a bust and move on.)
RT: Bobby Hart 55.0

Note: John Jerry is right around 60. He's been fairly solid. Jonah will obviously replace him.

Honestly, people act like the entire line has been bad...but it really hasn't. There are only 3 starters rated below 60 on offense.

Which leads be to think that the issues are more playcalling/scheme than players.

Defense:
3rd CB: Webb - 57.1
S: Bates - 45.9
S: Williams - 52.0
LB: Pratt - 42.7
LB: Brown - 44.5
LB: Vigil - 50.4


So that's about 8-9 guys that play regularly that are playing extremely poor. Almost HALF of our starters.

Jonah/Glenn would replace Jerry who's actually been a decent Tackle.

Then, AJ Green would replace another WR...but the WR ratings aren't terrible. They're in the low 70's. So there's some upgrade there.

(10-28-2019, 09:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: We need 22 starters to become good,