(11-01-2019, 01:25 PM)fredtoast Wrote:

(11-01-2019, 01:30 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: I personally would call you Captain Jag off.

(11-01-2019, 01:20 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: The quality of the team is in direct relationship to the piss poor drafts this team has had. Price , Williams , Ross, Ogbuehi. not contributing is nothing short of ineptitude. What are they going to do differently? Do they have a plan? Is Tobin to blame or are the Family members being counted on to be defacto scouts? Will the Browns ever accept that they need a bona fide GM? Would a GM even consider working for the Bengals? Until we draft better and participate actively in free agency we are DOOMED.

(11-01-2019, 01:30 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: I personally would call you Captain Jag off.

(11-01-2019, 01:33 PM)fredtoast Wrote: That is interesting because at one time I considered being a JAG Officer.

(11-01-2019, 01:39 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: I think the lack of trades for high draft picks is very unfortunate, whatever the reasons. 

(11-01-2019, 01:43 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It takes two teams to trade.  The Bengals can't trade their players for high draft picks unless another team offered them high draft picks for their players.  

Based on the fact that almost none of the worst teams in the league traded away players for high draft picks I don't think there were a lot of teams out there offering high draft picks.

(11-01-2019, 01:39 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: I hope we don't see a repeat of the 1990's.

(11-01-2019, 01:39 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: The bad drafting tracks with the departure of Zimmer and Gruden.  Later round drafting has found some good players but not nearly enough to make up for the terrible drafting since AJ Green.  That is why I don't condemn the new coaching staff yet, they inherited a mess.  Anybody who entertained the thought of a winning season back in August 2019, suffers from extreme homerism. 
I think the lack of trades for high draft picks is very unfortunate, whatever the reasons.  Their best pieces are 30+ and should have been moved.
I hope we don't see a repeat of the 1990's.

(11-01-2019, 01:20 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: The quality of the team is in direct relationship to the piss poor drafts this team has had. Price , Williams , Ross, Ogbuehi. not contributing is nothing short of ineptitude. What are they going to do differently? Do they have a plan? Is Tobin to blame or are the Family members being counted on to be defacto scouts? Will the Browns ever accept that they need a bona fide GM? Would a GM even consider working for the Bengals? Until we draft better and participate actively in free agency we are DOOMED.

(11-01-2019, 01:50 PM)wildcatnku24 Wrote: I don't agree with the bolded.  I thought we could pull of a winning season prior to all the injuries.  Heck, with them we've lost most of our games within a score.  I guess I am a Bengals Homer (like almost if not everyone on this board, given that we post on a board of our favorite team), but I don't think it was complete delusion to say we should've been competitive this year.  

I also hope to not see a repeat of the 90's, yikes.  Had it not been for the cool colors and growing up in NKY, I'd have not become a fan since I was only 4 when they last went to the superbowl, and don't remember it.

As far as our drafting, the only pick I thought was insane was John Ross, but even that one showed extreme talent despite its obvious risks.  It's easy to forget how you felt when we drafted a given player versus watching him suck.

(11-01-2019, 01:57 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: Unfortunately the 1sts haven't produced from various reasons of medical to lack of talent.  Just no Pro Bowl caliber picks from the drafts.   I've learned long ago to not get caught up in the draft day buzz and the "expert" analysis of winners and losers.  
Atkins and Dunlop are over 30 now and best days likely behind them.  AJ as marvelous as he is will start losing a step in the near future, 2 years? 
So the Bengals are faced with a dire situation now.  They have to raise their draft game far higher than they've ever done to have a chance to compete.  I forgive Zak all sorts of game day sins this season if he brings a great nose for draft talent.

(11-01-2019, 01:39 PM)bengals1969 Wrote:   Anybody who entertained the thought of a winning season back in August 2019, suffers from extreme homerism.  

(11-01-2019, 02:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't know about August, but before we lost Green, Williams, and Boling I expected a winning season.

We won 6 games last year with our starting QB missing half the season.

(11-01-2019, 01:39 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: The bad drafting tracks with the departure of Zimmer and Gruden.  Later round drafting has found some good players but not nearly enough to make up for the terrible drafting since AJ Green.  That is why I don't condemn the new coaching staff yet, they inherited a mess.  Anybody who entertained the thought of a winning season back in August 2019, suffers from extreme homerism. 
I think the lack of trades for high draft picks is very unfortunate, whatever the reasons.  Their best pieces are 30+ and should have been moved.
I hope we don't see a repeat of the 1990's.

(11-01-2019, 01:55 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Don't you mention Price being benched and not having Ross and Williams as reasons why Taylor can't be judged on this year?

I don't think you can use them as examples of being bad players and also say that their loss is huge.

(11-01-2019, 02:02 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Indeed. But, I doubt Taylor is some great talent evaluator.

We need more scouts and a proven GM. There's a reason that the other teams are all structured the way they are.

Look at a guy like Bates though who was really good last year and is really poor this year. That screams of coaching.

(11-01-2019, 01:40 PM)wildcatnku24 Wrote: This made me bust out laughing in the middle of my office.  You've won the internet today, Fred.

(11-01-2019, 02:14 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: I guess that depends on what you mean by high draft picks.  The reality is that we aren't going to get much for our guys.

AJ - probably could have been moved for a late 1st rounder
Geno - Maybe a 2nd?  Probably more like a 3rd
Dunlap - 3rd/4th rounder
Dalton - 4th rounder

None of those guys make sense to be moved for those picks - especially when the cap savings doesn't mean shit to the Bengals.  I'd much rather not see Geno or Dunlap in another uniform only to see that money go to sign guys like Preston Brown and Bobby Hart.