(11-05-2019, 10:41 AM)Kingslayer Wrote: Sounds great to me but...

Would Mikey pull another Akili Smith and refuse a blockbuster trade

(11-05-2019, 10:35 AM)fredtoast Wrote: We need the Dolphins to win a few games and we need one of the QBs in this years class to blow up before the draft to be a consensus #1 pick.

Miami needs a QB worse than any team in the league.  Miami also has 3 first round picks.  So they would have the best offer if they needed to trade up to get a QB.

I am thinking we will have the #1 pick, and we need a lot more than a QB.  QB is one of the most difficult positions to evaluate coming out of college, but it is also the most valuable position.  So it seems to me that more teams "reach" for a QB at the top of the draft than at other positions.  That means the QBs taken with the #1 overall pick are often over valued.

Only ONE quarterback taken #1 overall in the draft over the last 20 years has won a Super Bowl (Eli Manning).

(11-05-2019, 10:35 AM)fredtoast Wrote: We need the Dolphins to win a few games and we need one of the QBs in this years class to blow up before the draft to be a consensus #1 pick.

Miami needs a QB worse than any team in the league.  Miami also has 3 first round picks.  So they would have the best offer if they needed to trade up to get a QB.

I am thinking we will have the #1 pick, and we need a lot more than a QB.  QB is one of the most difficult positions to evaluate coming out of college, but it is also the most valuable position.  So it seems to me that more teams "reach" for a QB at the top of the draft than at other positions.  That means the QBs taken with the #1 overall pick are often over valued.

Only ONE quarterback taken #1 overall in the draft over the last 20 years has won a Super Bowl (Eli Manning).

(11-05-2019, 11:39 AM)Catmandude123 Wrote: While they need a QB I could see them filling other holes and waiting for Lawrence with their two first rounders the following year. They have positioned themselves nicely as far as rebuilding. The Bengals are a crapshoot.

(11-05-2019, 10:35 AM)fredtoast Wrote: We need the Dolphins to win a few games and we need one of the QBs in this years class to blow up before the draft to be a consensus #1 pick.

Miami needs a QB worse than any team in the league.  Miami also has 3 first round picks.  So they would have the best offer if they needed to trade up to get a QB.

I am thinking we will have the #1 pick, and we need a lot more than a QB.  QB is one of the most difficult positions to evaluate coming out of college, but it is also the most valuable position.  So it seems to me that more teams "reach" for a QB at the top of the draft than at other positions.  That means the QBs taken with the #1 overall pick are often over valued.

Only ONE quarterback taken #1 overall in the draft over the last 20 years has won a Super Bowl (Eli Manning).

(11-05-2019, 11:49 AM)Daddy-O Wrote: If they fill their other holes with all of those draft picks (Miami) they likely won't be in play for Lawrence the following year.  They'll find a serviceable QB this offseason so they probably won't be in the running.  Essentially they better take the QB while they have a top 3 pick.

(11-05-2019, 01:30 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: The best case scenario is that Lawrence comes out early and we have the first pick. Then there would be a bidding war. We would probably end up with five picks in the first two rounds. QB, LB, DL, OL,OL. Don't laugh, dreams do sometimes come true. Damn somebody wake me up I thought had a competent FO. We probably can have that many early picks anyway there isn't enough room on IR for them all.

(11-05-2019, 12:16 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yeah, I was thinking about this topic this morning. It would be real nice if the Bengals could trade the 1st Overall to the Dolphins for some of their picks, and if the Dolphins are in the 2-3 range, the Bengals could possibly trade down again for someone looking for the 2nd best QB, or Chase Young.

Bengals need at least 3 starting OL (4 if Trey Hopkins leaves in FA) assuming we're expecting Jonah Williams to be any good, a potential #1 WR if AJ Green leaves, 3 starting LB, and a starting CB who can actually catch the ball. They need to fill at least 6 of those possible 9 needs before QB becomes an issue in my mind. Otherwise you're throwing out a young QB without the tools around him to succeed and you're setting him up for failure and ruin.

They need more picks to make that happen, or a massive change in their FA approach. The picks seem more likely between those two options.

My worry is that the Bengals will have the 1st Overall pick in the bag at 0-11 after Week 12... before Dead Cat Bounce'ing and beating the Jets, Browns, and Dolphins to finish 3-13, and end up with the 3rd or 4th pick, which will mean they miss out on trading down with a team who wants a QB, and also miss out on either drafting or trading down with a team that wants Chase Young.

(11-05-2019, 01:30 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: The best case scenario is that Lawrence comes out early and we have the first pick. Then there would be a bidding war. We would probably end up with five picks in the first two rounds. QB, LB, DL, OL,OL. Don't laugh, dreams do sometimes come true. Damn somebody wake me up I thought had a competent FO. We probably can have that many early picks anyway there isn't enough room on IR for them all.

(11-05-2019, 01:22 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Why would they get a different QB? That would defeat the plan. They will always be in the running for Lawrence when they have two first round picks

(11-05-2019, 10:56 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I'm not sure there is a QB in the upcoming class I want....

(11-05-2019, 10:41 AM)Kingslayer Wrote: Sounds great to me but...

Would Mikey pull another Akili Smith and refuse a blockbuster trade

(11-05-2019, 01:22 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Why would they get a different QB? That would defeat the plan. They will always be in the running for Lawrence when they have two first round picks

(11-05-2019, 05:26 PM)Daddy-O Wrote: Assuming they have the top pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, cause that's where Lawrence will probably go.  If you're Miami you taking that chance?