(11-30-2019, 11:45 PM)Synric Wrote: The playbook as been extremely limited due to lack of run game, offensive line issues, and no speed at WR.

(11-30-2019, 11:49 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The interesting thing about the run game is that the past 3 games it's been better. So it is possible to run with the personnel we have, it was more a scheme issue. It still needs upgraded.

They don't even try to go deep because it takes some time to throw.

(12-01-2019, 12:28 AM)The Caped Crusader Wrote: This. I think anyone with two functioning eyes would take Burrow but I'm not sure.

This team wasn't very good last year. I think we can all admit it but all those issues we had, have actually gotten INCREASINGLY WORSE. Lack of offensive production. Defense giving up more big plays. Obviously the team has taken a major step back under ZT. So, not sure I feel entirely comfortable under him.

(11-30-2019, 06:43 PM)AlphaBengal Wrote: I'm not too sure how a Quarterbacks Coach for one year in the NFL is gonna spearhead the growth and development of our players going forward and most importantly, the next possible overall pick at the most critical position in the NFL.

(12-01-2019, 01:33 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Mike Brown and Zac Taylor both played quarterback in college and it’s the only position on the field they think they understand. It’s all they have in common. Mike loves a big arm quarterback and I’m sick of the Front Office ignoring the other position groups on the field — especially on defense. It’s the weirdest phobia I’ve ever seen in sports. Did Zac really think putting in Ryan Finley would magically fix a horrific offense? How does that help the run game? Going 0-8 and only changing the quarterback is the definition of incompetence.

(12-01-2019, 01:54 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’ve pointed out to you several times now (you keep ignoring it) that we HAVE NOT ignored the defensive side of the ball.

Dennard 1st round
Kirkpatrick 1st round
WJ3 1st round
Atkins 4th round
Dunlap 2nd round
Bates 2nd round
Hubbard 3rd round
Pratt 3rd round
Lawson 4th round
Vigil 3rd round
Billings 4th round
Hunt 2nd round
Williams 3rd round

And with the exception of Geno and Dunlap that’s just the Dalton era...

(12-01-2019, 02:04 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Outside of Atkins, Dunlap, and Hubbard, have any of those players you mentioned upgraded the defense?

(12-01-2019, 02:28 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Yes. Billings and Lawson are good players. Some of the younger guys like WJ3 and Bates have at least shown potential of being good. We’ve gotten some good years out of Shawn Williams and Dre.

And that wasn’t your point anyway. You claimed they’ve ignored other position groups for years, “especially on defense.” They haven’t.

(11-30-2019, 06:43 PM)AlphaBengal Wrote: Assuming things keep up, we're going to get the first pick and we're going to take a quarterback. With all that said and done, is Zac Taylor the right guy to potentially build the QB up to where he's at minimum a middle of the road starter like Stafford or Ryan? Because so far what I've seen this year is regression from everyone. No one that was on the roster is playing better this season than last season, and so far none of the rookies have shown they'd be starters anywhere else in the league.

I know it's only been a year but player development concerns me, and I'm not too sure how a Quarterbacks Coach for one year in the NFL is gonna spearhead the growth and development of our players going forward and most importantly, the next possible overall pick at the most critical position in the NFL.

(12-01-2019, 01:33 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Mike Brown and Zac Taylor both played quarterback in college and it’s the only position on the field they think they understand.  It’s all they have in common.  Mike loves a big arm quarterback and I’m sick of the Front Office ignoring the other position groups on the field — especially on defense.  It’s the weirdest phobia I’ve ever seen in sports.  Did Zac really think putting in Ryan Finley would magically fix a horrific offense?  How does that help the run game?  Going 0-8 and only changing the quarterback is the definition of incompetence.

(12-01-2019, 01:43 PM)pally Wrote: Jared Goff seems to have taken a step backward without Zac as his coach

(12-01-2019, 01:09 AM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: With comments about how college teams are years ahead of pro teams, I don't think that you do.  What a goofy thing to have come out of someone's mouth.  There was that and there was the belief that Ryan Finley could do better than UDFA or vet-minimum type of guys.  That was easily some of the worst QB play that I've ever seen in the pros.  He went stretches of plays where he'd hit a defender right in the hands with the ball.  A 5 yard out route should not look so impossible to throw accurately.  I don't think that ZT should have earned anyone's trust with evaluating or grooming QB talent.