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Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - SunsetBengal - 03-04-2020 Not sure how many missed this, but thanks to jj24 bringing it up in another thread, I thought it was worth all of us having a conversation about. If Lou Anarumo has been given permission to change the base alignment of the Bengals defense, that not only changes what we see on the field, but it also means they will be drafting/signing defensive players with different particular skill sets than we have been used to under the 4-3 that we have been used to seeing. Hobson let this info slip out matter of factly, in a combine lead up article. I'm surprised that more didn't catch this at the time. https://www.bengals.com/news/bengals-prime-for-combine-don-t-forget-the-defense Quote:The Bengals head to Indianapolis this weekend for the first prime time NFL scouting combine with the No. 1 pick in hand in what looks to be a first ballot coronation for LSU quarterback Joe Burrow. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - sandwedge - 03-04-2020 (03-04-2020, 09:11 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Not sure how many missed this, but thanks to jj24 bringing it up in another thread, I thought it was worth all of us having a conversation about. If Lou Anarumo has been given permission to change the base alignment of the Bengals defense, that not only changes what we see on the field, but it also means they will be drafting/signing defensive players with different particular skill sets than we have been used to under the 4-3 that we have been used to seeing. I actually caught that when the article came out, but I thought it was a typo. With the size of the LBs coming out this year, a lot of them in the 220 lbs range, the switch to the 3-4 makes sense. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - SunsetBengal - 03-04-2020 (03-04-2020, 09:36 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I actually caught that when the article came out, but I thought it was a typo. With the size of the LBs coming out this year, a lot of them in the 220 lbs range, the switch to the 3-4 makes sense. Yes, it put's a lot more emphasis on having good LBs and Safeties, which I happen to think is a good thing. When you can effectively take away the middle of the field as a playground for opposing QBs, it makes the job of the CBs so much easier, as they know where the action is coming. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - bengaloo - 03-04-2020 (03-04-2020, 09:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yes, it put's a lot more emphasis on having good LBs and Safeties, which I happen to think is a good thing. When you can effectively take away the middle of the field as a playground for opposing QBs, it makes the job of the CBs so much easier, as they know where the action is coming. I love the idea of having better LBs and S's. Honestly I've wanted to switch to a 3-4 for a long time, but it never seemed like it was going to happen. I'm excited to see what Lou can pull off and what kind of players he gets this offseason. Under the circumstances, I havent given up on him ending up being a really good DC. Coming in late, having no LBs to work with, big scheme change, etc. There was a lot working against him but we got better as the year went on. It seems like he knows what he's looking for. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-04-2020 I missed it cause I like to avoid the fluff from Hobspin a lot of the time. It is nice to actually really be talking about a transition to the 3-4 that is actually happening for once. We have talked about switching to a 3-4 for years and it just never happened at least not to a clear 3-4. The 3-4 hybrid is what lots of the best Defenses are running now and we have lots of the players that will fit and it will be fun to talk about. Obviously we need to have a big NT in place and both Tupou and Billings fit that description. Re-sign Billings please as Wren is still extremely young and a question mark and Glasgow has been hurt a lot. I really think we have a lot of guys who could thrive in a 3-4, namely Hubbard with his versatility. Hubbard can play DE and OLB no problem and switch between while being good in coverage. There will be a transition period though no question, just hope Burrow and company can put up enough points for the transition to be smooth and happen somewhat quickly. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - BengalChris - 03-04-2020 (03-04-2020, 09:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yes, it put's a lot more emphasis on having good LBs and Safeties, which I happen to think is a good thing. When you can effectively take away the middle of the field as a playground for opposing QBs, it makes the job of the CBs so much easier, as they know where the action is coming. We happen to not have any "good" LBers and only one good safety. Pratt is okay, but he wasn't in the "good" range last season. I figured we needed 2 new LBers this off season, but if we're going to put 4 on the field we'll need 3 - my book. And, I'd like to point out that the competition the Bengals faced in the second half of the season was some of the poorer teams in the league. Against the two teams the Bengals played with winning records in the second half, those two teams scored 49 and 34 points against the defense. And they gave up 35 to a bad Miami team. That's not winning defensive football. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - jason - 03-04-2020 Hoping to see more of Andrew Billings dropping into coverage... That was awesome. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - SunsetBengal - 03-04-2020 (03-04-2020, 10:21 PM)BengalChris Wrote: We happen to not have any "good" LBers and only one good safety. Pratt is okay, but he wasn't in the "good" range last season. I figured we needed 2 new LBers this off season, but if we're going to put 4 on the field we'll need 3 - my book. Get with the program, in a 3-4 defense, guys like Sam Hubbard and Carl Lawson are now OLBs. Pratt and Vigil would actually make a decent pair of ILBs in a 3-4 setup. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-04-2020 (03-04-2020, 10:38 PM)jason Wrote: Hoping to see more of Andrew Billings dropping into coverage... That was awesome. BILLINGS!!! (03-04-2020, 10:49 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Get with the program, in a 3-4 defense, guys like Sam Hubbard and Carl Lawson are now OLBs. Pratt and Vigil would actually make a decent pair of ILBs in a 3-4 setup. Yes sir, Lawson will be needing to improve on his coverage big time this season. Thought he actually got better last season in this aspect, if THE LAW does? When he comes after the passer they will be in trouble, we need to be unpredictable on BOTH sides of the ball and a 3-4 really does help us to do just this. BTW, sorry about the caps at times just want people to know what I mean. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - lone bengal - 03-05-2020 (03-04-2020, 10:21 PM)BengalChris Wrote: We happen to not have any "good" LBers and only one good safety. Pratt is okay, but he wasn't in the "good" range last season. I figured we needed 2 new LBers this off season, but if we're going to put 4 on the field we'll need 3 - my book.Spot on switching to a 3-4 will take adding a lot of players especially linebackers because we have none. I feel were better suited for a 4-3 roster wise. Plus were going to pay Geno and Dunlap all that money to be 3-4 ends ? Agree with the narrative of the defense turning the corner at the end of the season they couldn't stop a nose bleed versus a bad Dolphins team I'm not drinking the cool aid. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - sandwedge - 03-05-2020 (03-04-2020, 10:38 PM)jason Wrote: Hoping to see more of Andrew Billings dropping into coverage... That was awesome. Big guy will return a pick to the house someday!! RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - lone bengal - 03-05-2020 (03-04-2020, 10:49 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Get with the program, in a 3-4 defense, guys like Sam Hubbard and Carl Lawson are now OLBs. Pratt and Vigil would actually make a decent pair of ILBs in a 3-4 setup. I’m fine with switching to a 3-4 are defense can’t be any worse I’m willing to try new things lol. I’m just not sold yet that Hubbard or Lawson can cover and play outside linebacker because they’ve barley done it. The article kind of surprised me because the games I watched i thought we ran mostly a 4-3 or had that 5 man front with two linebackers. Granted I stopped watching some games because they were horrific and unwatchable. Pratt has potential but the jury is still out Vigil is just a guy to me and can be upgraded. Plus you need backup linebackers Incase of injuries that can play in the 3-4. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - sandwedge - 03-05-2020 (03-04-2020, 10:21 PM)BengalChris Wrote: We happen to not have any "good" LBers and only one good safety. Pratt is okay, but he wasn't in the "good" range last season. I figured we needed 2 new LBers this off season, but if we're going to put 4 on the field we'll need 3 - my book. That hasn't been pointed out at least 40 times yet.... RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - sandwedge - 03-05-2020 (03-04-2020, 09:11 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Not sure how many missed this, but thanks to jj24 bringing it up in another thread, I thought it was worth all of us having a conversation about. If Lou Anarumo has been given permission to change the base alignment of the Bengals defense, that not only changes what we see on the field, but it also means they will be drafting/signing defensive players with different particular skill sets than we have been used to under the 4-3 that we have been used to seeing. I just read this again. I actually think the 4-3 might still be our base D and we will slip in and out into the 3-4 at times. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - Gdale_Bengal - 03-05-2020 Brought this up weeks ago on the draft forum. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - SHRacerX - 03-05-2020 (03-04-2020, 09:36 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I actually caught that when the article came out, but I thought it was a typo. With the size of the LBs coming out this year, a lot of them in the 220 lbs range, the switch to the 3-4 makes sense. I think in general that the 4-3 was effective against the so-called smash-mouth AFC North. But with the advent of more and more VERY mobile QBs, and the speed on offenses in general, I think the day of the slow, plodding LB are over. Speed on the edges and speed at pass rush. Oddly, the one time we go to this system is when they are weakest at LB. I am betting that is where their first FA signing comes from. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - Au165 - 03-05-2020 Many people think of a 3-4 as an "even front" but in reality we ran a lot of under front when we were in 3-4 last year which is essentially a different looking 4-3 just standing up one backer on the line to act as your 4th potential rusher. All the switch really does is give Anarumo a little ore flexibility in alignment and some exotic coverages. People seems to be getting caught up with "needing linebackers" because they think of the 4 in the 3-4 as traditional linebackers but really it minimizes how many stack backers you need (think traditional 4-3 coverage backers) as you only need 2 as one of your linebackers is basically a DE standing up rushing and the other is a bit of a hybrid who only needs to be able to cover at a pretty minimal level. In many cases you won't even notice a change outside of base packages so on passing downs it's going to look very similar to what you have seen here for the last decade outside of maybe seeing more dollar packages. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 03-05-2020 The problem I see with switching to a 3-4 means they’re going to continue to ignore the offensive line. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - Truck_1_0_1_ - 03-05-2020 We ran Nickel over 60% of the time last year, which always has 4 down lineman anyways. I don't see the need to be all up in arms over this; as AU mentioned it is still essentially a 4 down lineman front, with one of them standing instead of 3/4 point stance (Hubbard and Dunlap did it quite a bit). We're still going to run 2 LBs out there, most plays. RE: Bengals Defense now 3-4 hybrid - bengalfan74 - 03-05-2020 All I can say is whatever they were doing last season with the 2 LBer's wasn't working. So I hope whatever they're switching to works better. And I hope this means we're gonna get defense in free agency like I was thinking ? |