(10-14-2020, 10:29 PM)jj22 Wrote: I think it's closer to a Luck situation if the hits add up as the years go.

(10-14-2020, 10:54 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Burrow has a long way to go before he gets Carr-ed, but I'll admit the Steelers games could look awfully grim.

(10-14-2020, 10:29 PM)jj22 Wrote: I think it's closer to a Luck situation if the hits add up as the years go.

(10-14-2020, 10:54 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Burrow has a long way to go before he gets Carr-ed, but I'll admit the Steelers games could look awfully grim.

Physical toll on Andrew Luck through 6 NFL seasons:
» Torn cartilage in 2 ribs
» partially torn abdomen
» a lacerated kidney that left him peeing blood
» at least 1 concussion
» a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder
» and this mysterious calf/ankle issue that led to this

— Zak Keefer (@zkeefer) August 25, 2019

(10-15-2020, 08:14 AM)Au165 Wrote: Randall Cunningham got sacked 277 times from 86-90, 38 times more than Carr did in his five year span, yet he went and had a long carreer. People always want to jump straight to Carr, but no one even knows what Carr was actually going to be. We like to say sacks ruined him but we know now QB's miss all the time so it's easy to say that's why but it's just as likely he wasn't any good. He came out of Fresno State with essentially one decent season under his belt and we act like he was the next Peyton Manning if not for getting hit.

I am not saying Burrow needs to be taking hits constantly, but let's relax on this idea it is some sort of predictor of a ruined career because it frankly isn't. We have simply faced some great pass rushes so far this year, and the one time we didn't (JAX) he was fine. I don't think he finishes anywhere close to 70 when it's all said and done as I see it being closer to the 58-62 mark, which will be great because then we can stop with the stupid Carr narrative.

(10-15-2020, 08:16 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Agreed.  However, I think David Carr is getting a huge pass for his poor play.  

(10-15-2020, 09:12 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I understand the purpose of the comparison and I understand the risks of not protecting Burrow.

But the truth is Burrow is vastly more talented than Carr was. He can already read defenses and throw fantastic passes based on touch, timing and location better than many veterans.

I think Carr is a cautionary tale, but less about "ruining" a good QB by not protecting them and more about failing to allow a QB to develop by not protecting them.
Carr had some raw tools but was unable to develop them in time to be an effective starting QB and the main reason was his offensive line. But Burrow does not have that problem.

Carr was never a good player in the NFL. His best year was his third year, where he had a 61% completion percentage, 16 TDs, 14 INTs and 3531 yards for a RTG of 83.5.

(10-14-2020, 10:49 PM)jj22 Wrote: It was the hits that hurt Luck who was a tough QB who embraced them much like Burrow. Those do add up moreso then the sacks.

None are good for the longevity of a career.

(10-14-2020, 09:53 PM)Tony Wrote: https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/13/peter-king-worries-joe-burrow-david-carr-comparison/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=NFLdraftmaverickMike

Gotta say, I totally agree. Nothing like drafting a QB #1OA and not make any attempt to protect them. ..

(10-15-2020, 03:42 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Got to blame Luck for part of it.. he held on to the ball as long as any QB that did not have great mobility that I can remember..

(10-15-2020, 08:14 AM)Au165 Wrote: Randall Cunningham got sacked 277 times from 86-90, 38 times more than Carr did in his five year span, yet he went and had a long carreer. 

(10-15-2020, 01:27 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Luck was ~75% self inflicted. Dude loved to hang onto the ball and not slide or avoid big hits.

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/205950/colts-on-andrew-luck-finally-sliding-to-avoid-hits-hes-reluctantly-accepting-it

That's from his 5th year in the NFL. Just finally starting to slide a little. 

It's why Russell Wilson is going to last. The guy is smart because he learned in his first two years that if you want to hang around and be healthy in the NFL for a long time, you need to avoid taking big hits. Unless it's 4th and 1 with the game on the line or something, it's not worth taking a big hit for that extra yard. He gets sacked a lot, but it's rarely a big hit. I don't know how much of that is him being a baseball player so he knows how to slide, but it's the difference.

It's why you see Cam Newton built like a superhero and still breaking down because he didn't avoid hits.
It's why you see Ben Roethlisberger has only played 16 games in a season 4 times in the last 16 years because he didn't avoid hits.

Meanwhile Russell Wilson is 5'11 and hasn't missed a game going on his 9th career year despite averaging 90 rushes and 43 sacks a season. He avoids big hits.

Joe Burrow needs to watch Wilson tape and learn (and go to Reds Spring Training this offseason). The OL obviously needs improved, and the offensive scheme is garbage, but there's a lot Burrow can do to help himself. Of the 7 sacks last weekend, PFF had 3 of them as Burrow's own fault. We've all seen him take some meaningless stupid hits so far this season that had nothing to do with the OL but him trying to extend the play and losing track of time.

(10-16-2020, 11:04 AM)shanebo Wrote: Randall might not be the best comparison -- love the guy, but he was notoriously injury-prone ...  Played all 16 games just 3 times in his 16-year career, and only 63% of the games in all.  Plus, he had arguably his best statistical year with the Vikings behind a better offensive line (fewer sacks) when he was more of a pocket passer (fewer hits).  So as good as Randall was, just think of what he could've been if he hadn't been sacked so many times.

Regardless, I think we all agree that priority no 1 should be to get Burrow a better o-line.

(10-15-2020, 03:55 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I see it less on making no attempt and picks not worked out or our FAs have not panned out  We have 2 1st round picks and a 4th round pick on the line. Williams doing ok.. Jordan not playing well and Price is a bust.  This past draft was not a strong draft for lineman and the need for LBS was great.. Maybe we pass on Higgins for a lineman in 2nd round.. but they choose Higgins.. 3rd and 4th Lbs.. made sense.. maybe 4th round we go lineman..

As for FA.. this was a weak FA and do we want to overpay a 1 or 2 year veteran, thank god we did not sign Peters, he is done for the year  We signed Filo but went on IR..  Hart is below average and has not improved enough 

So over the last 3 years we have drafted a tackle, guard and center and signed a FA tackle that has not worked out in Hart and signed a veteran guard in Filo that was hurt game 1... So that is a complete line overhaul in 3 years problem is the picks and FAs have not worked out...