(10-29-2020, 12:24 PM)Wire22Wire Wrote: After their once every 7 year 'Give it all we got' run:

Too Early power rankings have us in the bottom half of the league.  Right where we belong.

20. Cincinnati Reds
2020 record: 31-29
Lost Wild Card Series to Braves
2021 title odds: 25-1

The Reds sneaked into the playoffs as a wild card with a late surge, but the team embarrassingly exited with two shutouts to the Braves, including a 13-inning defeat. The Reds have morphed into the most extreme example of a "three true outcomes" offense we've seen in this launch-angle era. They ranked fourth in the NL in home runs and first in walks, but hit a pathetic .212. The entire package added up to ranking just 13th in the NL in runs, then you dig deeper and realize they hit 55 home runs at home and 35 on the road, so much of their power was simply a result of their home park. It's a bad offense, and I'm not sure it improves much in 2021. Trevor Bauer is a sure bet to sign elsewhere as a free agent, and we still don't know if Nick Senzel is the solution in center field or an injury-prone role player.

Bad Offense
Starting Pitching will be worse
Avg Pen
Bad Manager

Pen down 2026 - That could be another barn burner run where we flirt w .500

(10-29-2020, 12:33 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'd like for the Reds to not have their entire offense be a bunch of Adam Dunns.
While the HRs are exciting, they don't knock in many runs with regular base hits.
Winker was the only player with 70+ AB to have over .250 average, and it was just .255.

They can still win with their pitching staff without Bauer but they need to get on base more and get that BA up.

(10-29-2020, 01:26 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: An entire offense of Adam Dunns would be outstanding. Provided they were Cincinnati Adam Dunns, not late career Adam Dunns.

As a Red, Dunn hit a career .247/.380/.520 (.900 OPS)... he was 30% above league average. 


You have an entire team that averages 29 doubles/40 homers/114 walks per 162 games and you'll win all of the games.... I mean that'd be 360 homers on a team when the top 3 seasons for team HRs were 307, 306, and 288 (all in the juiced ball 2019 season) all while having a team .380 on base percentage (I think it'd be a record as well).


Sign me up for 9 actual Cincinnati Reds Adam Dunns. The defense will be atrocious, but they'll destroy the crap out of all the offensive recordbooks.



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TLDR: Adam Dunn was way too good for you to be disparaging him by calling the 2020 Reds a team of Adam Dunns.

(10-29-2020, 01:29 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Ok you're being nitpicky. I'm referring to the fact Dunn didn't have a great BA.
With Dunn (at least in later years), it felt like it was a bomb or an out.
That's what it felt like this year with the Reds' hitters.

(10-29-2020, 01:39 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Nah, just gotta defend Dunn from historical revisions.

.380 OBP with the Reds is VERY good. Not even touching his elite power.

Dunn's main problem was simply that the NL didn't have the DH. That's actually my biggest sports take hill that I will gladly die on: David Ortiz is just Adam Dunn if he had the DH the entire time.

You add the wear and tear of 11,300 defensive innings in the rain/sun/heat/cold and all the time dedicated to practicing defense and time spent thinking about defense (which would also take away energy and time to better perfect your offense) and I guarantee you Ortiz has a lesser and shorter career that looked a lot like Dunn's.

(10-29-2020, 01:48 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm a fan of the DH. I hate seeing pitchers hit.
If the NL didn't have a DH this year, we probably wouldn't have seen Winker nearly as much, and as such may not have made the playoffs.