(12-19-2020, 12:49 PM)CanadianBengal Wrote: The Bengals roster lacks impact players and has too many sub-par starters. Adding a few elite players (Sewell, Thuney) could allow some other players to elevate their play. Need some players to emerge next year with improved play for this team to take a major step

5 - Top five player at the position -- All Pro- Opposing teams need to game plan around this player
4 - Above average player (top 15)at the position - Pro Bowl alternate some years - Consistently performs week to week
3- Average to serviceable starter (top 32) at position - dependendable but needs support with some plays
2 - Useful back-up --spot starter - salary matches amount of playing time
1 - Only on roster as a developmental player or bottom of roster with a minimum salary

QB - Burrows - ranking 4 - this is a projection -- but big question is will he emerge as a 5

RB - Mixon - ranking 4 - very good player but not a 5 as rarely has carried the team to a victory

WR 1 - Green - Ranking 3 - still drew top corner - but lacks explosiveness and salary way beyond production
WR 2 - Boyd -- Ranking 4- Boyd is great but not a dominant WR
WR 3 - Higgins - Ranking 3/4 - Could emerge as 4 if offense grows around him


TE 1 - Uzomah/Sample - Ranking 2 - both are solid back-ups

LT- Williams - Ranking 3 - may move up to a 4 and his play would improve with better linemantes
RT - Hart - Ranking 1/2 - plays like a 2 but his salary decreases his value
LG/RG - Spain, XSF, Jordan - ranking 2 - with decent support around them Spain may elevate, Jordan young but needs to improve
C - Hopkins -ranking 2 - with better players on either side of him - may be serviceable starter

DE - Lawson - ranking 3 - his rookie year raised hope but he just doesn't seem to make much impact
DE- Hubbard - ranking 3 - solid player
DT- Atkins - Ranking - was a five but now a 1/2 - not sure if it is playing time, injury. fit or what but he disappeared and is expensive
DR - Reader  - Ranking 3 -- was a 4 in Houston but played like a 3 here -- improving his linemates may allow him to elevate

OLB- Pratt -Ranking 2/3- really hasn't established himself as a true starter --didn't take jump in year two (Bengal LB's rarely do)
ILB - Bynes - Ranking 2 - is a solid back-up
OLB- Wilson - Ranking 2/3 - has looked good at times needs to make jump in year two (see Pratt comment)

CB- Waynes - Ranking 3/4 - hard to comment on him due to injury but is paid like a 4 and his play in Minny was definitely a 3
CB - WJIII - Ranking 3/4 - I struggled with how to rank him -- sometimes he looks great and then gets beat or takes bad penalties
SCB- Alexander - Ranking 3 - serviceable as a slot CB
SS- Bell - Ranking 3 - He's solid --play has improved over the course of the year
FS - Bates - Ranking 5 - Best safety in the league --legit star

P - Huber -- ranking 3 -- solid
K- Bullock ranking 2 - not good enough

Have at it

(12-20-2020, 10:51 PM)No-huddle Joe Wrote: Coaching---0     Even Dave Shula wouldn't have hired these guys.

(12-19-2020, 12:49 PM)CanadianBengal Wrote: The Bengals roster lacks impact players and has too many sub-par starters. Adding a few elite players (Sewell, Thuney) could allow some other players to elevate their play. Need some players to emerge next year with improved play for this team to take a major step

5 - Top five player at the position -- All Pro- Opposing teams need to game plan around this player
4 - Above average player (top 15)at the position - Pro Bowl alternate some years - Consistently performs week to week
3- Average to serviceable starter (top 32) at position - dependendable but needs support with some plays
2 - Useful back-up --spot starter - salary matches amount of playing time
1 - Only on roster as a developmental player or bottom of roster with a minimum salary

QB - Burrows - ranking 4 - this is a projection -- but big question is will he emerge as a 5

RB - Mixon - ranking 4 - very good player but not a 5 as rarely has carried the team to a victory

WR 1 - Green - Ranking 3 - still drew top corner - but lacks explosiveness and salary way beyond production
WR 2 - Boyd -- Ranking 4- Boyd is great but not a dominant WR
WR 3 - Higgins - Ranking 3/4 - Could emerge as 4 if offense grows around him


TE 1 - Uzomah/Sample - Ranking 2 - both are solid back-ups

LT- Williams - Ranking 3 - may move up to a 4 and his play would improve with better linemantes
RT - Hart - Ranking 1/2 - plays like a 2 but his salary decreases his value
LG/RG - Spain, XSF, Jordan - ranking 2 - with decent support around them Spain may elevate, Jordan young but needs to improve
C - Hopkins -ranking 2 - with better players on either side of him - may be serviceable starter

DE - Lawson - ranking 3 - his rookie year raised hope but he just doesn't seem to make much impact
DE- Hubbard - ranking 3 - solid player
DT- Atkins - Ranking - was a five but now a 1/2 - not sure if it is playing time, injury. fit or what but he disappeared and is expensive
DR - Reader  - Ranking 3 -- was a 4 in Houston but played like a 3 here -- improving his linemates may allow him to elevate

OLB- Pratt -Ranking 2/3- really hasn't established himself as a true starter --didn't take jump in year two (Bengal LB's rarely do)
ILB - Bynes - Ranking 2 - is a solid back-up
OLB- Wilson - Ranking 2/3 - has looked good at times needs to make jump in year two (see Pratt comment)

CB- Waynes - Ranking 3/4 - hard to comment on him due to injury but is paid like a 4 and his play in Minny was definitely a 3
CB - WJIII - Ranking 3/4 - I struggled with how to rank him -- sometimes he looks great and then gets beat or takes bad penalties
SCB- Alexander - Ranking 3 - serviceable as a slot CB
SS- Bell - Ranking 3 - He's solid --play has improved over the course of the year
FS - Bates - Ranking 5 - Best safety in the league --legit star

P - Huber -- ranking 3 -- solid
K- Bullock ranking 2 - not good enough

Have at it

(12-20-2020, 10:55 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yeah. It's hard to evaluate a roster when coaching is this bad.

(12-21-2020, 12:05 PM)impactplaya Wrote: How many current Bengals could start for other AFC
NORTH teams right now? I will give you a hint...not too many.

Bates and Boyd could. Probally Jackson.
Thats about it.

(12-21-2020, 12:09 PM)Wyche Wrote: Yup, I said in another thread, we have 3 or 4 legit players...and Bates and Boyd are two of them. I'd go Burrow, then maybe Higgins. After that, it's some serviceable guys, some backup quality guys, and some that shouldn't be on a game day roster, let alone starting.

(12-21-2020, 12:34 PM)impactplaya Wrote: On game day the Bengals have 2 things that as a organization
It.cannot overcome currently.....the other teams have better schemes and better talent. 

(12-21-2020, 12:09 PM)Wyche Wrote: Yup, I said in another thread, we have 3 or 4 legit players...and Bates and Boyd are two of them. I'd go Burrow, then maybe Higgins. After that, it's some serviceable guys, some backup quality guys, and some that shouldn't be on a game day roster, let alone starting.

(12-21-2020, 01:48 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yep. We're every bit a 2.5 win team.

Now, fix our scheme, and get coaches who coach fundamentals and technique and maybe some other guys blossom.

(12-21-2020, 01:49 PM)Wyche Wrote: One can hope....

(12-21-2020, 01:53 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I will only list the guys as starters who I think should/will be kept in that role for 2021.

5:
Bates

4:
Boyd
Higgins
Burrow
WJ3 (if re-signed)
Reader
Lawson (if re-signed)
Mixon

3:
Jonah Williams (only because he's not Top 15 yet, but I think will get to 4)
Hopkins
Sample
Waynes
Hubbard
Bell (if you wanted to argue 4 because of distinguish between SS and FS, I could accept that)
Phillips (from slot only)

2:
Wilson
Pratt

(12-21-2020, 02:01 PM)Wyche Wrote: Those are guys to consider keeping for sure. I don't have Mixon real high, but that's due to results. Is it him, or the blocking? I say blocking, but ya never know.  I'm not real high on WJIII or Lawson either, but that may be due to performance around them. Maybe better players around them make them "legit" instead of "a guy". Chances are, that's the case, but still a bit of a gamble. I also think Williams will be ok, he's just average right now.

The cats that are succeeding despite a poor cast around them are the ones I'm calling "legit", and to me, that's the four I named.

(12-21-2020, 02:16 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Mixon put up 1400+ yards both in 2018 and 2019, so I have confidence he's a 4.

Depending on definition, I guess Boyd and Higgins may not be a 4 since neither are Top 15 when it comes to WRs.
But given both are in the Top 30, I felt it was appropriate to put them both as 4.

Only the following teams have two players in the Top 30 receiving yards:
KC (Kelce, Hill)
CAR (Moore, Anderson)
BUF (Diggs, Beasley)
SEA (Metcalf, Lockett)
LAR (Woods, Kupp)
HOU (Fuller, Cooks)
DAL (Cooper, Lamb)
TEN (Brown, Davis)
CIN (Boyd, Higgins)

Lawson is Top 5 in pressures, so that's why I put him there.
WJ3 I could see arguing as 3+. He's very close to being Top 15 CB. He's 18th best CB in coverage and 21st best CB overall according to PFF.

(12-21-2020, 02:01 PM)Wyche Wrote: Those are guys to consider keeping for sure. I don't have Mixon real high, but that's due to results. Is it him, or the blocking? I say blocking, but ya never know.  I'm not real high on WJIII or Lawson either, but that may be due to performance around them. Maybe better players around them make them "legit" instead of "a guy". Chances are, that's the case, but still a bit of a gamble. I also think Williams will be ok, he's just average right now.

The cats that are succeeding despite a poor cast around them are the ones I'm calling "legit", and to me, that's the four I named.