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Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - THE PISTONS - 12-24-2020
I feel like too much is being made over 1 win. The Steelers made some unforced turnovers...fumbling a snap. Throwing a ball right to a defender.
The defense was hitting hard and looked good. The offense was...pretty bad.
I always love beating the Steelers.
But, I feel like these next 2 games are important. If this team can go out and beat the Texans...which they should and look semi-competent vs the Ravens...then I think the staff has a case for a 3rd year.
If we look bad the next 2 games, then it's just an anamoly. And we looked bad against Dallas and terrible against Miami.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - THE PISTONS - 12-24-2020
This is the Office Space bounce. Guys will only coach hard enough to keep their jobs!
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - Yojimbo - 12-24-2020
It’s 1 better. 1 is not the definition of much.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - GreenCornBengal - 12-24-2020
I’d say it’s one win better. Back to you guys.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - fredtoast - 12-24-2020
Bengals have the NUMBER FOUR DEFENSE in the league over the last two games!!!
Hallelujah!!! Our defense is fixed!!!
Way to go Lou!!!
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - J24 - 12-24-2020
20 out 27! points came off turnovers or turnovers on downs. The average starting field position was the 27 yard line. This offense is still poor.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - bengaloo - 12-24-2020
Its 1 game but a big one. If Burrow was playing it probably would've been a way bigger blowout.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - SunsetBengal - 12-24-2020
(12-24-2020, 03:09 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: I’d say it’s one win better. Back to you guys.
Actually, it's 1.5 wins better, with 2 games to go.
But, what does it matter? Seems like many are hoping to lose out for draft position, anyway.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - THE PISTONS - 12-24-2020
(12-24-2020, 03:09 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: I’d say it’s one win better. Back to you guys.
Yeah...so why all the talk of jobs saved? 3.5 wins is still bad.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - THE PISTONS - 12-24-2020
(12-24-2020, 05:24 PM)bengaloo Wrote: Its 1 game but a big one. If Burrow was playing it probably would've been a way bigger blowout.
Would it? When Burrow played well, our defense was generally terrible.
Theres a phenomenon in sports where good offensive players go down...and the defense play better.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - THE PISTONS - 12-24-2020
(12-24-2020, 05:29 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Actually, it's 1.5 wins better, with 2 games to go.
But, what does it matter? Seems like many are hoping to lose out for draft position, anyway.
I'd argue getting the right coaching staff is way more important than if we pick 3-5. We're not 1 player away.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - SunsetBengal - 12-24-2020
(12-24-2020, 10:43 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I'd argue getting the right coaching staff is way more important than if we pick 3-5. We're not 1 player away.
You are correct on both points. We are not one player away, and it won't matter who is on the roster if the coaching staff can't get them together and organized.
However to the first point; Although this team needs a few great players, building from the fundamental positions on either side of the line of scrimmage is where we most sorely need a "star", more than anywhere else. We have a star QB, RB, future star WR. On defense we have a star S and a star NT (who only got to play 5 games before injury). The OL needs a bonafide star player. When healthy, Jonah looked "adequate" to do the job, but in no way NFL "star" quality.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - chopperbobby - 12-24-2020
(12-24-2020, 10:40 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yeah...so why all the talk of jobs saved? 3.5 wins is still bad.
But he beat the Steelers. Sign him up for 5 more yeas. Just keep beating the Steelers 1 time a year.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - THE PISTONS - 12-25-2020
(12-24-2020, 11:17 PM)chopperbobby Wrote: But he beat the Steelers. Sign him up for 5 more yeas. Just keep beating the Steelers 1 time a year.
I would argueargue the Steelers beat the Steelers atleast partially.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - bengaloo - 12-25-2020
(12-24-2020, 10:41 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Would it? When Burrow played well, our defense was generally terrible.
Theres a phenomenon in sports where good offensive players go down...and the defense play better.
That is very interesting! Never thought of it but its innerstin fer shur. Thank you fr pointing that out.
Merry Christmas :)
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - HarleyDog - 12-25-2020
It’s who we beat that was special. What’s it been, 5yrs? I agree we are not 1 player away, but doubt I could ever accept a team that tanks for any reason.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - jason - 12-25-2020
(12-25-2020, 12:00 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I would argueargue the Steelers beat the Steelers atleast partially.
Meh... They're injured. We weren't at full strength either. What could Pittsburgh have done differently? Start Mason Rudolph? We got pressure against a pretty good O line, our secondary played well against those really good WRs, we ran the ball against the best defense in the league, and Finley didn't kill us. To channel my inner Marvin... We made more plays than them, were better than them on 3rd down, and did a better job taking care of the football.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - Bengalitis - 12-25-2020
they all probably got the notice.. play well or lose your job. coaches & players alike.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - THE PISTONS - 12-26-2020
(12-25-2020, 02:15 PM)Bengalitis Wrote: they all probably got the notice.. play well or lose your job. coaches & players alike.
It's like Office Space, they'll only work hard enough to keep their job.
In all seriousness, after that Elise Jesse expose came out, the defense has played better.
RE: Is 3-12-1 that much better than 2-13-1? - pally - 12-26-2020
(12-24-2020, 03:04 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I feel like too much is being made over 1 win. The Steelers made some unforced turnovers...fumbling a snap. Throwing a ball right to a defender.
The defense was hitting hard and looked good. The offense was...pretty bad.
I always love beating the Steelers.
But, I feel like these next 2 games are important. If this team can go out and beat the Texans...which they should and look semi-competent vs the Ravens...then I think the staff has a case for a 3rd year.
If we look bad the next 2 games, then it's just an anamoly. And we looked bad against Dallas and terrible against Miama
The win was a gift, a hope of what can be. We're still likely to lose the last 2 games due to the offense but something positive happened in this long, dark, season