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Rank our CBs - bfine32 - 06-24-2021
The rankings continue. This time we move to Cornerbacks I'll go with 3.
Our 3:
Trey Waynes
Chidobe Awuzi
Mike Hilton
The competition
ARZ- Malcom Butler-Byron Murphy-Darquese Dennard
ATL- AJ Terrel-Kendal Sheffield-Isiah Oliver
BAL- Marlon Humphrey-Marcus Peters-Jimmy Smith
BUF- Tradavious White-Levi Wallace Terron Johnson
CAR-Jaycee Horn-Dontae Jackson-AJ Boyue
CHI-Jaylon Johnson-Desmond Trufant-Artie Burns
CLV- Denzel Ward-Troy Hill-Greg Newsome
DAL-Travon Diggs-Anthony Brown-Jourdon Lewis
DEN-Kyle Fuller-Ronald Barby-Patrick Surtain
DET- Amani Oruwariye-Jeff Okudah-Quinton Dunbar
GBP-Jarie Alexander-Kevin King-Eric Stokes
HOU-Bradley Roby-Terrence Mitchell-Vernon Hargraves
IND- Xavier Rhoades-Kenny Moore- Rock Ya Sin
JAX- CJ Henderson-Shaquill Griffen-Tyson Campbell
KCC- LJarius Sneed-Charvarius Word-Mike Hughes
LVR- Travon Mullin-Casey Hayward-Damon Arnette
LAC-Chris Harris-Asante Samuel-Michael Davis
LAR-Jalen Ramsey-Darius Williams-David Long
MIA- Xavien Howard-Byron Jones-Jason McCourty
MIN- Camron Danzler-Patrick Peterson-Jeff Gladney
NEP- JC Jackson-Stephon Gilmore-Dee Virgin
NOS- CJ Gardner-Marshawn Lattimore-Patrick Robinson
NYG- James Btadberry-Adore Jackson-Darnay Holmes
NYJ- Bless Austin-Bryce Hall-Corey Ballentine
PHI- Darius Slay-Avonte Maddocks-Zech MacPherson
PIT-Joe Haden-Camron Sutton-Shakur Brown
SFF-Emmanuel Mosley-Jason Verret-Ambrey Thomas
SEA- Athello Withersppon-DJ Reed-Pierre Desir
TBB- Carlton Davis-Sean MurphyBunting-Ross Cockrell
TEN- Janoris Jenkins-Caleb Farley-Elijah Molton
WAS-Kendall Fuller- WJIII-Greg Stroman
FA-Richard Sherman-Steven Nelson-Brian Poole
RE: Rank our CBs - J24 - 06-24-2021
It's not the worst in the League but they are know where close to being close to being first.
Hilton is an exciting signing, Awuzie is a physical player but coming off a rough year in Dallas, and Wayne's is a good player but he isn't a #1 CB.
RE: Rank our CBs - Bilbo Saggins - 06-26-2021
This CB room is interesting. I think that ultimately its effectiveness will come down to scheme, coaching, and chemistry. There's no reason to think that this group can't be really good. There's also not much reason as of yet to believe that they can't underwhelm.
RE: Rank our CBs - sandwedge - 06-26-2021
I said, middle of the pack. I really haven't seen them play. If our front 7 play good, these 3 guys could look good. We will see
RE: Rank our CBs - Luvnit2 - 06-26-2021
(06-24-2021, 11:37 PM)J24 Wrote: It's not the worst in the League but they are know where close to being close to being first.
Hilton is an exciting signing, Awuzie is a physical player but coming off a rough year in Dallas, and Wayne's is a good player but he isn't a #1 CB.
I am curious. Why do you say Wayne's is not a #1 CB? Are you saying all the years Zimmer started him was Zimmer being stupid? What do you know that Zimmer and others did not? BTW, Zimmer and Vikes wanted Waynes back, the Bengals outbid them.
RE: Rank our CBs - Luvnit2 - 06-26-2021
I voted middle of the pack. I know you listed 3 CB"s, but we have some vets also not listed like Apple and Phillips who due to injury will likely see snaps at some point. One of our issues in 2020 was zero depth.
A lot of people rag on Waynes because he got paid big bucks and then was hurt. His strength is Jackson's weakness, he is physical and can tackle, Jackson was weak and tackled horribly.
Hilton is an upgrade over Alexander (who I liked) and a great slot CB prevents a lot of drives being extended. It is hard to see how good this group will be, but we know, a great pass rush helps any CB look better, so that will also be the key in 2021.
RE: Rank our CBs - J24 - 06-26-2021
(06-26-2021, 10:48 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I am curious. Why do you say Wayne's is not a #1 CB? Are you saying all the years Zimmer started him was Zimmer being stupid? What do you know that Zimmer and others did not? BTW, Zimmer and Vikes wanted Waynes back, the Bengals outbid them.
Xavier Rhodes was the #1 CB in Minnesota while he was there.
RE: Rank our CBs - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 06-26-2021
Middle of the pack till I see Waynes and Awuzie play well here. Hilton is a stud and I like Phillips and Apple as backups.
Our secondary as a whole I think could be top 10 easily though with Bates, Von and Ricardo back there.
RE: Rank our CBs - Synric - 06-26-2021
(06-26-2021, 02:07 PM)J24 Wrote: Xavier Rhodes was the #1 CB in Minnesota while he was there.
Mike Zimmer doesn't have a #1 or #2 Corner... He has Left and Right Corners.
RE: Rank our CBs - bfine32 - 06-26-2021
(06-26-2021, 02:07 PM)J24 Wrote: Xavier Rhodes was the #1 CB in Minnesota while he was there.
That can be debated but let's use your logic. Who is the Bengals #1 CB?
RE: Rank our CBs - J24 - 06-26-2021
(06-26-2021, 05:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: That can be debated but let's use your logic. Who is the Bengals #1 CB?Wayne's is and that isn't a good thing.
RE: Rank our CBs - J24 - 06-26-2021
(06-26-2021, 02:38 PM)Synric Wrote: Mike Zimmer doesn't have a #1 or #2 Corner... He has Left and Right Corners.
Richard Sherman didn't switch sides in Seattle; does that mean he wasn't a #1?
RE: Rank our CBs - bfine32 - 06-26-2021
(06-26-2021, 05:58 PM)J24 Wrote: Wayne's is and that isn't a good thing.
So we have a #1...
RE: Rank our CBs - bfine32 - 06-26-2021
(06-26-2021, 06:02 PM)J24 Wrote: Richard Sherman didn't switch sides in Seattle; does that mean he wasn't a #1?
Pretty sure you're going to have to explain your definition of a #1...
RE: Rank our CBs - J24 - 06-27-2021
(06-26-2021, 10:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So we have a #1...He is our best outside CB so yes he is a #1 CB for us. That doesn't mean he is a good CB though.
(06-26-2021, 10:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Pretty sure you're going to have to explain your definition of a #1...The best CB on the team. It's not that hard to figure out.
RE: Rank our CBs - bfine32 - 06-27-2021
(06-27-2021, 01:36 AM)J24 Wrote: He is our best outside CB so yes he is a #1 CB for us. That doesn't mean he is a good CB though.
The best CB on the team. It's not that hard to figure out.
I'm trying..
So is Waynes a #1 CB or not? You're kinda losing me.
RE: Rank our CBs - Luvnit2 - 06-27-2021
(06-27-2021, 01:36 AM)J24 Wrote: He is our best outside CB so yes he is a #1 CB for us. That doesn't mean he is a good CB though.
The best CB on the team. It's not that hard to figure out.
Again, I ask you if Zimmer is dumber than you. He started Waynes for years, he wanted him back.
What info do you have that Waynes should not be a starting QB on any NFL team?
RE: Rank our CBs - J24 - 06-27-2021
(06-27-2021, 12:28 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Again, I ask you if Zimmer is dumber than you. He started Waynes for years, he wanted him back.
What info do you have that Waynes should not be a starting QB on any NFL team?
Wayne's is a good #2 CB but wasn't worth the Contract that was given.
RE: Rank our CBs - J24 - 06-27-2021
(06-27-2021, 02:10 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm trying..
So is Waynes a #1 CB or not? You're kinda losing me.
Done playing your Reindeer games
RE: Rank our CBs - Synric - 06-27-2021
(06-26-2021, 06:02 PM)J24 Wrote: Richard Sherman didn't switch sides in Seattle; does that mean he wasn't a #1?
Richard Sherman was a left corner and the best on his team. That doesnt make him CB1
I think we have different definitions of what a #1 corner means. It's a corner that plays for a defense that has the corner follow the other teams best Wide Receiver. Trae Waynes circumstances were different because Zimmer doesnt move his outside corners so they each seen a share of other teams best receiving options.