(07-26-2021, 05:22 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Let’s hope it works out better than Chad saying AJ would be better than he was…

(07-26-2021, 06:08 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I love Kenny.  And I love Joe.  But Kenny is being way too generous here.  

There's a very good reason he's an inaugural member of the newly formed Ring of Honor, and there's a very good reason he's often considered as a clear snub for the HOF.  He was one of the better QB's of an entire generation, he had a winning record as a starter (91 wins), and he played in a Superbowl.

Joe Burrow, even for all of the hype of around him, the Heisman and him flashing potential, hasn't really accomplished anything of note in this league yet.  We can all hope and believe he will go on to do great things but until he actually starts proving himself to be a well above average starter, and for a consistent amount of time, then I don't think this is fair statement.  

Compared to Kenny Anderson, Joe Burrow is an absolute nobody.  And that's no shot at Joe, the same is true for any number of young QB's.  Justin Herbert?  Nobody when compared to the greats.  Justin Fields?  Nobody.  Trevor Lawrence?  Nobody.  Zach Wilson?  Nobody.

And if for some reason Kenny is just talking about skill level (throwing power + accuracy, strength, speed) then he basically just described probably 75% of the QB's in the league.  I would assume the vast majority of NFL players are physically superior to their peers from the past.

I'm honestly not trying to rain on the parade here but this Joe Burrow stuff gets a bit nuts on here and around the city.  I'm excited to see him progress as the next guy but he's still got a whole lot to prove.  Nothing is a given.  We can't keep making statements like "I think he really elevates the players around him" when he clearly hasn't done that yet.  He was 2-7-1 as a starter last season.  Let's give it some time to crown this kid.

(07-26-2021, 06:26 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: You made some good points, in the end Joe will have to win make the playoffs and win there also to best Kenny..

(07-26-2021, 06:49 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Burrow isn't better than Kenny until he wins a SB and wins 2 MVPs.  With that being said, Kenny didn't have to play for Mike Brown.  Still, the idea of a QB being the best a franchise ever had because he wins a playoff game or two is pretty grim...but I'd take it.

(07-26-2021, 08:03 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: Except it doesn't work that way.

Flash back to 2000.  The New Orleans Saints defeated the Rams for their first ever post season victory.  Not one person at that time declared Aaron Brooks was a better QB than Archie Manning or Bobby Hebert because he had a playoff win under his belt.

(07-26-2021, 06:08 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I love Kenny.  And I love Joe.  But Kenny is being way too generous here.  

There's a very good reason he's an inaugural member of the newly formed Ring of Honor, and there's a very good reason he's often considered as a clear snub for the HOF.  He was one of the better QB's of an entire generation, he had a winning record as a starter (91 wins), and he played in a Superbowl.

Joe Burrow, even for all of the hype of around him, the Heisman and him flashing potential, hasn't really accomplished anything of note in this league yet.  We can all hope and believe he will go on to do great things but until he actually starts proving himself to be a well above average starter, and for a consistent amount of time, then I don't think this is fair statement.  

Compared to Kenny Anderson, Joe Burrow is an absolute nobody.  And that's no shot at Joe, the same is true for any number of young QB's.  Justin Herbert?  Nobody when compared to the greats.  Justin Fields?  Nobody.  Trevor Lawrence?  Nobody.  Zach Wilson?  Nobody.

And if for some reason Kenny is just talking about skill level (throwing power + accuracy, strength, speed) then he basically just described probably 75% of the QB's in the league.  I would assume the vast majority of NFL players are physically superior to their peers from the past.

I'm honestly not trying to rain on the parade here but this Joe Burrow stuff gets a bit nuts on here and around the city.  I'm excited to see him progress as the next guy but he's still got a whole lot to prove.  Nothing is a given.  We can't keep making statements like "I think he really elevates the players around him" when he clearly hasn't done that yet.  He was 2-7-1 as a starter last season.  Let's give it some time to crown this kid.

(07-26-2021, 06:08 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I love Kenny.  And I love Joe.  But Kenny is being way too generous here.  

There's a very good reason he's an inaugural member of the newly formed Ring of Honor, and there's a very good reason he's often considered as a clear snub for the HOF.  He was one of the better QB's of an entire generation, he had a winning record as a starter (91 wins), and he played in a Superbowl.

Joe Burrow, even for all of the hype of around him, the Heisman and him flashing potential, hasn't really accomplished anything of note in this league yet.  We can all hope and believe he will go on to do great things but until he actually starts proving himself to be a well above average starter, and for a consistent amount of time, then I don't think this is fair statement.  

Compared to Kenny Anderson, Joe Burrow is an absolute nobody.  And that's no shot at Joe, the same is true for any number of young QB's.  Justin Herbert?  Nobody when compared to the greats.  Justin Fields?  Nobody.  Trevor Lawrence?  Nobody.  Zach Wilson?  Nobody.

And if for some reason Kenny is just talking about skill level (throwing power + accuracy, strength, speed) then he basically just described probably 75% of the QB's in the league.  I would assume the vast majority of NFL players are physically superior to their peers from the past.

I'm honestly not trying to rain on the parade here but this Joe Burrow stuff gets a bit nuts on here and around the city.  I'm excited to see him progress as the next guy but he's still got a whole lot to prove.  Nothing is a given.  We can't keep making statements like "I think he really elevates the players around him" when he clearly hasn't done that yet.  He was 2-7-1 as a starter last season.  Let's give it some time to crown this kid.

(07-26-2021, 09:38 PM)J24 Wrote: Only time will tell.

What's interesting is both Burrow and Ken have a lot of similarities. Both are Highly accurate passers and Athletic QBs. It is like both are perfect fits in the west coast offense.

(07-26-2021, 01:57 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Not only that, I believe he raises the level of his teammates around him.

(07-26-2021, 09:06 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Oh man, a 2nd year QB doesn't compare to the entire legacy of arguably the best QB the team has ever fielded? AND he hasn't accomplished anything except his knee getting shredded? It's almost like Burrow only played a handful of games with a terrible team surrounding him.

I get being realistic, but Ken Anderson has forgotten more about being a NFL QB than any of us will ever know and his word means more than all of our collective opinions.