(08-04-2021, 02:06 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Joe was 24th in average passer rating 89.8. This is right above Dalton. Guys ahead of him include Phillip Rivers, Kirk Cousins, and Baker Mayfield.

Joe was 21st in completion percentage.

Joe threw the ball a ton last year (40 times a game). This would have been second in the league behind the Steelers and he only had more than 300 yards passing 5 times.

This was my first time really looking at his stats from last year. I know his offensive line was dog shit and he was a rookie last year, but man I was expecting his numbers to be better than that.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, but I'm just lowering my expectations of what to expect from him this year after reading those stats, hearing about how he looks in camp so far, and especially early on coming back from injury.

What are your guys' thoughts on his numbers from last year?

(08-04-2021, 02:06 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Joe was 24th in average passer rating 89.8. This is right above Dalton. Guys ahead of him include Phillip Rivers, Kirk Cousins, and Baker Mayfield.

Joe was 21st in completion percentage.

Joe threw the ball a ton last year (40 times a game). This would have been second in the league behind the Steelers and he only had more than 300 yards passing 5 times.

This was my first time really looking at his stats from last year. I know his offensive line was dog shit and he was a rookie last year, but man I was expecting his numbers to be better than that.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, but I'm just lowering my expectations of what to expect from him this year after reading those stats, hearing about how he looks in camp so far, and especially early on coming back from injury.

What are your guys' thoughts on his numbers from last year?

(08-04-2021, 08:30 PM)motoarch Wrote: I think this is one of those times that stats don't tell the real story.

He's good.  Really good.  He's going to get better too.

Don't panic if he has a 'sophomore slump' he's the real deal and is going to be a great QB.

(08-04-2021, 08:30 PM)motoarch Wrote: I think this is one of those times that stats don't tell the real story.

He's good.  Really good.  He's going to get better too.

Don't panic if he has a 'sophomore slump' he's the real deal and is going to be a great QB.

(08-04-2021, 08:39 PM)Nately120 Wrote: If he takes a step back this year ZT needs fired.  Out of a cannon.  At Cleveland.  

(08-04-2021, 10:04 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Personally want him gone if we don't make the Playoffs. So he better win 10-13 games or SO LONG PAL!

(08-04-2021, 10:04 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yes this is a good temper your expectations thread. But even if he was lighting it up in camp it would be something else that is 
way wrong going on. Burrow was a rookie with a terrible OL playing in front of him with pretty damn poor play calling putting ALL
the pressure on the rookie. This was bad coaching by Turner first putting a terrible OL in front of Burrow and Mixon then Taylor 
next calling WAY too many pass plays even if we were behind.

Burrow played very well for a rookie QB with all this going against him.

Not even mentioning the terrible D that couldn't rush the other QB or stop the run worth a shit.


For sure. Think ZT takes a big step forward though, just depends on how far and if it is enough for the FO to keep him around.

Personally want him gone if we don't make the Playoffs. So he better win 10-13 games or SO LONG PAL!

(08-04-2021, 08:30 PM)motoarch Wrote: I think this is one of those times that stats don't tell the real story.

He's good.  Really good.  He's going to get better too.

Don't panic if he has a 'sophomore slump' he's the real deal and is going to be a great QB.

(08-04-2021, 10:13 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Or at least not the whole story. Just think about how much better his numbers would have looked if he had 3 starting caliber WR’s (which AJ certainly wasn’t). When a guy gets 104 targets and only gives you 523 Yds and 2 TD’s that’s obviously going to skew the stats negatively. And the musical chairs that went on at every single OL spot plus Joe Mixon missing so much time were also big factors.

Anyone that watched Burrow could see he passed the eye test though. At least in most of the games (Baltimore not so much). The Bengals were a REALLY bad team, and they had the #1OA pick for a reason. Under all the circumstances I thought Joe played great.

(08-04-2021, 10:23 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Posts like these make me feel like some of you are about to jump on the “Burrow is overrated” train.

(08-04-2021, 02:06 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Joe was 24th in average passer rating 89.8. This is right above Dalton. Guys ahead of him include Phillip Rivers, Kirk Cousins, and Baker Mayfield.

Joe was 21st in completion percentage.

Joe threw the ball a ton last year (40 times a game). This would have been second in the league behind the Steelers and he only had more than 300 yards passing 5 times.

This was my first time really looking at his stats from last year. I know his offensive line was dog shit and he was a rookie last year, but man I was expecting his numbers to be better than that.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, but I'm just lowering my expectations of what to expect from him this year after reading those stats, hearing about how he looks in camp so far, and especially early on coming back from injury.

What are your guys' thoughts on his numbers from last year?

(08-04-2021, 10:06 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I agree....well, other than I don't think we should call him pal.

(08-04-2021, 10:08 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: interesting.. so if the Bengals will 8 games and Burrow plays about the same .. moves the ball but an finish in red zone and bad on big plays.. outside of firing ZT should we also be concerned with Burrow?  

(08-04-2021, 10:41 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I think it's less likely that people are going to get on that train and more likely people will get on the "Maybe we shouldn't have been so indignant when the national media questioned if the Bengals were going to ruin Burrow" train.

IF things aren't good this year and it's on ZT hopefully we move on from him and just call Burrow's first 2 years an unpleasant "live and learn" and move on.  The thing is, we as a fanbase seem to, during any given year, have either "the players" or "the coaches" in our sights when it comes to placing blame.  ZT and the coaches are the ones with their heads on the chopping block this year so if Burrow isn't very good the fingers are getting pointed at ZT.

As I've said before, I could see us overachieving this year, but I can also see us 365 days from now excitedly talking about finally getting to see what Burrow and company can do with a REAL head coach.

(08-04-2021, 10:40 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: lets reflect  bit more on your eye test..  he still only won 2 games in this starts and his stats outside of his two game stats with Cleveland 
Cleveland he averaged around 360 yards a game and 6 td s

Not counting Washington (6 games)  he average around 290 yards a game and about a TD passing a game.  and   considering his  passing attempts were NFL records based, i see that as below average .. i agree as a rookie he played well so but so did Dalton who came into a very similar situation with team, record and uncertainty but Joe was consensus number 1 draft pick and i would say was just average on meeting expectations overall..  In the end as the #1 pick winning 2 games out of 10 was a bit of a disappointment and the lack of success in the red zone which means we actually had a chance to score more TDS than we did which like or not go backs to the QB more than anyone else

(08-04-2021, 10:41 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I think it's less likely that people are going to get on that train and more likely people will get on the "Maybe we shouldn't have been so indignant when the national media questioned if the Bengals were going to ruin Burrow" train.

IF things aren't good this year and it's on ZT hopefully we move on from him and just call Burrow's first 2 years an unpleasant "live and learn" and move on.  The thing is, we as a fanbase seem to, during any given year, have either "the players" or "the coaches" in our sights when it comes to placing blame.  ZT and the coaches are the ones with their heads on the chopping block this year so if Burrow isn't very good the fingers are getting pointed at ZT.

As I've said before, I could see us overachieving this year, but I can also see us 365 days from now excitedly talking about finally getting to see what Burrow and company can do with a REAL head coach.