(09-26-2021, 07:51 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I've been reminded more of the 2009 team.

- Coming off a 4 win season
- Franchise QB coming off of injury
- O-line is a work in progress at best
- So we compensated for these things by focusing on the run and not putting a big burden on the QB
- Young defense that is surprisingly dominant
- Undefeated vs Steelers
- We played the NFC North teams

(09-26-2021, 07:51 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I've been reminded more of the 2009 team.

- Coming off a 4 win season
- Franchise QB coming off of injury
- O-line is a work in progress at best
- So we compensated for these things by focusing on the run and not putting a big burden on the QB
- Young defense that is surprisingly dominant
- Undefeated vs Steelers
- We played the NFC North teams

(09-26-2021, 08:00 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Goid points we can disagree on retrospective burnt we both can be optimistic of rest of season

(09-26-2021, 07:51 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I've been reminded more of the 2009 team.

- Coming off a 4 win season
- Franchise QB coming off of injury
- O-line is a work in progress at best
- So we compensated for these things by focusing on the run and not putting a big burden on the QB
- Young defense that is surprisingly dominant
- Undefeated vs Steelers
- We played the NFC North teams

(09-26-2021, 09:11 PM)GodFather Wrote: Cedric Benson was an absolute BEAST that year! Was so much fun to watch him play. Remember that 45-10 lashing he and the offense gave the Bears that year? If that wasn't personal to Benson...

Unfortunately, as usual under Marvin the team didn't show up at the end of the year losing their last 3 of 4 and losing to the Jets in the playoffs. One thing you do have to say about Starvin' Marvin, he was consistent. 

(09-26-2021, 08:00 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Goid points we can disagree on retrospective burnt we both can be optimistic of rest of season

(09-26-2021, 09:11 PM)GodFather Wrote: Cedric Benson was an absolute BEAST that year! Was so much fun to watch him play. Remember that 45-10 lashing he and the offense gave the Bears that year? If that wasn't personal to Benson...

Unfortunately, as usual under Marvin the team didn't show up at the end of the year losing their last 3 of 4 and losing to the Jets in the playoffs. One thing you do have to say about Starvin' Marvin, he was consistent. 

(09-26-2021, 09:11 PM)GodFather Wrote: Cedric Benson was an absolute BEAST that year! Was so much fun to watch him play. Remember that 45-10 lashing he and the offense gave the Bears that year? If that wasn't personal to Benson...

Unfortunately, as usual under Marvin the team didn't show up at the end of the year losing their last 3 of 4 and losing to the Jets in the playoffs. One thing you do have to say about Starvin' Marvin, he was consistent. 

(09-27-2021, 12:11 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: We don't really disagree, or I should say I don't disagree with your comparison. Just saying I see more similarities with 09.

I agree there's some similarities with 12 as well. I'll add to your list: That was the year Marv and Jay asked for more "unscripted plays" out of Dalton...which led to 46 sacks despite having a pretty good line.

Some are saying that Burrow is causing some sacks for similar reasons this year.


I was at Molly Malone's in Covington with my Wife and Dad that day, eating some of the best wings of my life. Bar was packed with Bears fans who started out talking smack and quickly quieted down before leaving completely dejected.

Awesome day.

Tbh, I have no idea why we threw so much against the Jets. I want to say Palmer had around 40 attempts. We should've been riding Benson all game. Especially against those corners. Marv always had us throwing a ton in the playoffs.

(09-27-2021, 12:16 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Fred's brought it up to death, but I and a few others used to bring it up on the mothership too; our season went down the tubes with the passing of Henry, period. We have Henry, we aren't a one-dimensional team that has trouble passing more than 10 yards downfield.

Also, if Odom isn't taken out for the year on an illegal block (that wasn't called), he probably would've had the sack record and/or the best season by a DE in team history. That would've made our already great defense, even better.

EDIT* We also faced the hottest team in the NFL (playoff or otherwise), while we easily the coldest playoff team in the NFL, that Wildcard game.

(09-27-2021, 12:21 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: Yeah, Palmer had 36 attempts that game. Bengals went into the 4th quarter down 21-7 and Benson ripped off a 47 yard TD run. Jets just suffocated them other than that.

(09-27-2021, 12:29 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: That would lead one to believe we were 2 scores behind for awhile, and passed to catch up, but that really wasn't the case. It was only a 14-7 game until the Jets scored with only 2:18 left in the 3rd.

We scored on the Benson run 6 minutes later, with 11 minutes left in the 4th.

It was a close game pretty much all the way, yet we made 36 throws to only 21 carries (all Benson). That's not a winning ratio. Especially for that 09 team, and especially not against those corners. That's on Merv and Brat.

(09-27-2021, 12:35 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: Oh I wasn’t making any arguments, just recounting what I found. I remember it being competitive but one of those “close but not close” games. Cinci just couldn’t get anything going with Palmer.

(09-27-2021, 12:16 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Fred's brought it up to death, but I and a few others used to bring it up on the mothership too; our season went down the tubes with the passing of Henry, period. We have Henry, we aren't a one-dimensional team that has trouble passing more than 10 yards downfield.

Also, if Odom isn't taken out for the year on an illegal block (that wasn't called), he probably would've had the sack record and/or the best season by a DE in team history. That would've made our already great defense, even better.

EDIT* We also faced the hottest team in the NFL (playoff or otherwise), while we easily the coldest playoff team in the NFL, that Wildcard game.

(09-27-2021, 12:11 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: We don't really disagree, or I should say I don't disagree with your comparison. Just saying I see more similarities with 09.

I agree there's some similarities with 12 as well. I'll add to your list: That was the year Marv and Jay asked for more "unscripted plays" out of Dalton...which led to 46 sacks despite having a pretty good line.

Some are saying that Burrow is causing some sacks for similar reasons this year.


I was at Molly Malone's in Covington with my Wife and Dad that day, eating some of the best wings of my life. Bar was packed with Bears fans who started out talking smack and quickly quieted down before leaving completely dejected.

Awesome day.

Tbh, I have no idea why we threw so much against the Jets. I want to say Palmer had around 40 attempts. We should've been riding Benson all game. Especially against those corners. Marv always had us throwing a ton in the playoffs.

(09-27-2021, 08:35 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: You are more accurate with the 2009 team,  but that team seemed to live and die with the run and unbalanced line.  I would like to see more of that as well, but they so need a play-action deep shot out of it.  You don't see many plays (outside of goal line) where the entire defense is at the line of scrimmage.  If they could have a TE chip and slide out, it could be a huge play.  

Palmer didn't quite seem himself in 2009, aside from a few big games.  I don't remember if that was the elbow season, but he wasn't as good as he was in 2005 and 2006.