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Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - CJD - 10-18-2021
I don't own a subscription to PFF (I have more than enough subscriptions already!) but they do offer overall PFF grades and rankings within a position group as of week 6 for free, so I thought I'd just share those because I found them interesting.
https://www.pff.com/nfl/teams/cincinnati-bengals/7/roster
On Offense:
Joe Burrow: 86.4
6th out of 33 eligible QBs
Tee Higgins: 67.8
51st out of 104 eligible WRs
Tyler Boyd: 72.5
37th out of 104 eligible WRs
Ja'Marr Chase: 78.4
12th out of 104 eligible WRs
Drew Sample: 47.9
60th out of 70 eligible TEs
CJ Uzomah: 62.1
34th out of 70 eligible TEs
Joe Mixon: 80.3
5th out of 64 eligible HBs
Samaje Perine: 63.2
47th out of 64 eligible HBs
Trey Hopkins: 45.2
32nd out of 34 eligible centers
Quinton Spain: 75.1
11th out of 73 eligible guards
Jackson Carman: 40.5
71st out of 73 eligible guards
Riley Reiff: 62.0
47th out of 76 eligible tackles
Jonah Williams: 72.8
17th out of 76 eligible tackles
On Defense:
Eli Apple: 48.1
102nd out of 116 eligible CBs
Mike Hilton: 59.6
66th out of 116 eligible CBs
Chidobe Awuzie: 77.8
5th out of 116 eligible CBs
Vonn Bell: 72.5
11th out of 86 eligible safeties
Jessie Bates: 71.2
14th out of 86 eligible safeties
Akeem Davis-Gaither: 55.3
42nd out of 86 eligible LBs
Logan Wilson: 74.6
9th out of 86 eligible LBs
Germaine Pratt: 64.9
22nd out of 86 eligible LBs
B.J. Hill: 79.2
10th out of 118 eligible IDLs
Larry Ogunjobi: 57.9
69th out of 118 eligible IDLs
Josh Tupou: 67.5
39th out of 118 eligible IDLs
DJ Reader: 85.1
6th out of 118 eligible IDLs
Trey Hendrickson: 67.3
51st out of 104 eligible EDs
Sam Hubbard: 60.6
74th out of 104 eligible EDs
Cam Sample: 53.1
96th out of 104 eligible EDs
There are a few grades and rankings here that I find somewhat questionable, like Hendrickson's relatively low grade but overall these numbers look right to me. We have a top 10 QB, a top 10 RB, a top 15 WR, a top 15 LT (17th among all tackles, so probably top 15 LT), a top 15 guard, 2 top 15 safeties, a top 10 LB, a top 5 CB and two top 10 DTs.
What do you all think?
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - GreenCornBengal - 10-18-2021
I think Spain and Awuzie are quietly MVPs for this group. Say what you will about ZT but he’s been killing free agency.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Nicomo Cosca - 10-18-2021
There’s a couple guys I think should be higher (Chase, Hendrickson), but overall that’s very encouraging.
I’m sure it’s a night and day difference from last years rankings.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Whatever - 10-18-2021
Hendrickson has hidden things that drop his grade. For example, he had a sack, a QB Hit, and 3 Hurries against the Lions, but had a missed tackle that really killed his Tackle grade and allowed a 24 yard completion in coverage that killed his Coverage grade.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - motoarch - 10-18-2021
Williams has really improved over last season.
Overall the OL is a mixed bag but generally improved.
If they can nail a good pickup or 2 for next season on OL this is going to be a contender.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - motoarch - 10-18-2021
(10-18-2021, 11:02 AM)Whatever Wrote: Hendrickson has hidden things that drop his grade. For example, he had a sack, a QB Hit, and 3 Hurries against the Lions, but had a missed tackle that really killed his Tackle grade and allowed a 24 yard completion in coverage that killed his Coverage grade.
And chase had a pass he deflected into an interception that probably dragged his grade down.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - ochocincos - 10-18-2021
If the Bengals can end up keeping Spain and Reiff for at least one more season, I think the focus on the OL becomes C.
That could be possibly the only OL starting position to worry about if Carman solidifies RG by the end of the season.
The Bengals still have Hopkins through next season, so that can help bridge the gap for any learning curve that a new C would have.
It's also very possible that Hopkins' injury from Week 17 of last year is still affecting his power/mobility, so maybe he gets back to form by the end of the year too.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 - 10-18-2021
ZT FAs:
1) Excellent or better: Reader, Awuzie, Spain, Bell, Hendrickson
2) Pretty Good: Reiff, Ogunjobi, Hilton, Perine
3) OK: Apple, (better lately), Mike Thomas
4) Injured all the time: Waynes, XSF
That is a pretty good hit rate.
Trades:
1) A grade: BJ Hill for Price
Draft:
1) Home Runs: Burrow, Chase, L. Wilson
2) Triples: Ossai (looked like),
3) Doubles: Jonah Williams, C. Evans
4) Singles: Pratt, Higgins, ADG, Carman, McPherson
5) Fielder's Choice: D. Sample, Wren, T. Williams, Kareem, Adeniji, Bailey, Smith, C. Sample, Shelvin, Hubert.
6) Whiffs: : Finley, Jordan, L. Davis, R. Anderson, J. Brown
Pretty solid here. And a lot if guys have had injury setbacks/missed rime (Jonah, Wren, Burrow, Ossai, T. Williams, Kareem, Adeniji, Smith, Hubert) and it is still early for a all of them.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Frank Booth - 10-18-2021
Spain and Williams are good, Reiff is average, Hopkins and Carmen are trash.
At least the o-line is balanced
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Nicomo Cosca - 10-18-2021
(10-18-2021, 12:01 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: ZT FAs:
1) Excellent or better: Reader, Awuzie, Spain, Bell, Hendrickson
2) Pretty Good: Reiff, Ogunjobi, Hilton, Perine
3) OK: Apple, (better lately), Mike Thomas
4) Injured all the time: Waynes, XSF
That is a pretty good hit rate.
Trades:
1) A grade: BJ Hill for Price
Draft:
1) Home Runs: Burrow, Chase, L. Wilson
2) Triples: Ossai (looked like),
3) Doubles: Jonah Williams, C. Evans
4) Singles: Pratt, Higgins, ADG, Carman, McPherson
5) Fielder's Choice: D. Sample, Wren, T. Williams, Kareem, Adeniji, Bailey, Smith, C. Sample, Shelvin, Hubert.
6) Whiffs: : Finley, Jordan, L. Davis, R. Anderson, J. Brown
Pretty solid here. And a lot if guys have had injury setbacks/missed rime (Jonah, Wren, Burrow, Ossai, T. Williams, Kareem, Adeniji, Smith, Hubert) and it is still early for a all of them.
I’d personally have Jonah higher. Cam Sample, too.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Joelist - 10-18-2021
PFF lacks credibility in the ratings in a lot of areas. If you look at PFF you'd think Hendrickson had a terrible day when in reality he dominated Sewell all day and was in the Lions backfield so much it disrupted the entire offense.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Nicomo Cosca - 10-18-2021
(10-18-2021, 12:11 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Spain and Williams are good, Reiff is average, Hopkins and Carmen are trash.
At least the o-line is balanced
Harsh.
*Carman hasn’t allowed a single sack so far. He had a rough game vs GB, but he’s also had his good moments in some of the other games. Especially his run blocking.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - MickMack - 10-18-2021
I know the focus has rightfully been on Logan Wilson, but the linebackers deserve some major credit. In years past a talented TE like Hockenson would have gotten double or more yards than he got yesterday. Teams owned the middle of the field against us for years. Vast improvement so far this season.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Frank Booth - 10-18-2021
(10-18-2021, 12:24 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Harsh.
*Carman hasn’t allowed a single sack so far. He had a rough game vs GB, but he’s also had his good moments in some of the other games. Especially his run blocking.
I know it’s his first year but he is currently really bad
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Nicomo Cosca - 10-18-2021
(10-18-2021, 12:29 PM)MickMack Wrote: I know the focus has rightfully been on Logan Wilson, but the linebackers deserve some major credit. In years past a talented TE like Hockenson would have gotten double or more yards than he got yesterday. Teams owned the middle of the field against us for years. Vast improvement so far this season.
Thankfully Detroit has absolutely nobody at WR. All the Bengals had to do was take away Hockenson and Swift, and they did.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 - 10-18-2021
(10-18-2021, 12:11 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Spain and Williams are good, Reiff is average, Hopkins and Carmen are trash.
At least the o-line is balanced
The trash guy graded out at 87.2 last week, one of the highest on the team. Despite having food poisoning. A limited number of snaps as a result. But I think it is not hard to see a good player in there.
After a terrible PFF rating the fist game (28.0), he is now up to 40.5. A couple more good games and he'll be ahead of Hopkins (45.2) and XSF (50.0).
It also might help your credibility if you could spell his name right.
I'll do Electric Company for you:
Car.
Man.
Carman.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 - 10-18-2021
(10-18-2021, 12:13 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’d personally have Jonah higher. Cam Sample, too.
Completely fair.
It's pretty early on Sample, and Jonah has missed a lot of time, though.
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 - 10-25-2021
Updated after 7 weeks. I do not have a subscription, so just raw numbers:
Burrow: 86.4
Mixon: 80.1
Chase: 83.5
Higgins: 71.7
Boyd: 70.4
Uzomah: 66.1
J. Williams: 68.5
Spain: 75.2
Hopkins: 45.3
Carman: 44.4
Reiff: 64.4
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D. Sample: 49.3
XSF: 50.0
Perine: 62.2
Tate: 69.6
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T. Hill 64.4
M. Thomas 63.3
Prince: 90.1
Irwin: 65.5
C. Evans: 80.4
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Hendrickson: 70.5
Reader: 84.5
Ogunjobi: 61.8
Hubbard: 62.7
L. Wilson: 71.3
Pratt: 55.7
Awuzie: 81.5
Apple: 48.7
Hilton: 62.5
Bell: 69.7
Bates: 62.2
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BJ Hill: 76.4
Tupou: 66.9
ADG: 62.3
C. Sample: 53.1
Ray: 62.1
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Waynes: 51.8
B. Wilson: 58.3
Phillips: 65.2
R Allen: 67.8
J. Evans: 57.7
RE: Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks - Big Boss - 10-25-2021
Burrow one game closer to Top 5.