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The regression of Jessie Bates - Nicomo Cosca - 11-01-2021
I know Bengals twitter loves Jessie Bates. I think he is a key part of this defense and future of the franchise as well. But facts are facts, and right now, he ain't getting it done. Of 93 qual. Safeties:
— Andrew Russell (@PFF_AndrewR) November 1, 2021
61.4 PFF Grade (53rd)
12.7% MT rate (T-41st)
113.2 Pass Rtg All. (32nd)
Only 1 PD and 1 INT in the 7 games he’s played.
A bit of a step back would be one thing, but he’s been flat out bad in a lot of these games. It will be very interesting to see how the team handles his contract negotiations if this continues. I’m a big fan of the guy, and I honestly have no idea what’s going on with him, but I hope he turns it on in the 2nd half of the season.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - HarleyDog - 11-01-2021
(11-01-2021, 07:07 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:I know Bengals twitter loves Jessie Bates. I think he is a key part of this defense and future of the franchise as well. But facts are facts, and right now, he ain't getting it done. Of 93 qual. Safeties:
— Andrew Russell (@PFF_AndrewR) November 1, 2021
61.4 PFF Grade (53rd)
12.7% MT rate (T-41st)
113.2 Pass Rtg All. (32nd)
Only 1 PD and 1 INT in the 7 games he’s played.
A bit of a step back would be one thing, but he’s been flat out bad in a lot of these games. It will be very interesting to see how the team handles his contract negotiations if this continues. I’m a big fan of the guy, and I honestly have no idea what’s going on with him, but I hope he turns it on in the 2nd half of the season.
That sucks. Hope he finds his groove. He did have the interception yesterday with a nice return so that's a step in the right direction. But yeah, if he wants big money, he's gonna have to accelerate his game.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - kalibengal - 11-01-2021
(11-01-2021, 07:07 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:I know Bengals twitter loves Jessie Bates. I think he is a key part of this defense and future of the franchise as well. But facts are facts, and right now, he ain't getting it done. Of 93 qual. Safeties:
— Andrew Russell (@PFF_AndrewR) November 1, 2021
61.4 PFF Grade (53rd)
12.7% MT rate (T-41st)
113.2 Pass Rtg All. (32nd)
Only 1 PD and 1 INT in the 7 games he’s played.
A bit of a step back would be one thing, but he’s been flat out bad in a lot of these games. It will be very interesting to see how the team handles his contract negotiations if this continues. I’m a big fan of the guy, and I honestly have no idea what’s going on with him, but I hope he turns it on in the 2nd half of the season.
I never thought of him as an "Elite level Safety" like alot of people on here do; but I do like the guy for many reasons.
I really hope he turns it up a notch in home stretch to make the team really consider his next offer.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - Sled21 - 11-01-2021
FFS, even the talking heads on Sirius call Bates/Bell the top safety tandem in the league. I've never seen a place where a lose seems to kill brain cells. PFF can kiss it.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 11-01-2021
He will turn it around pretty damn sure. Didn't expect this especially with better play in front of him.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - Go Cards - 11-01-2021
It's a contract year and he will be fine when its all said and done imo.
If not, MB will look like a genius for waiting.
yet think Bates will turn the table back around.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - Nicomo Cosca - 11-01-2021
(11-01-2021, 07:23 PM)Sled21 Wrote: FFS, even the talking heads on Sirius call Bates/Bell the top safety tandem in the league. I've never seen a place where a lose seems to kill brain cells. PFF can kiss it.
It’s not just PFF. He only has 1 pass defended through 7 games. Compare that to last year where he had 15. There’s obviously some significant regression there.
I don’t appreciate the pissy, homer routine. Not every thread is going to be positive (and I’ve started plenty of those). I’m genuinely curious what’s going on with him. You should also probably learn how to spell if you’re going to attack other posters brain cells…
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - Sled21 - 11-01-2021
(11-01-2021, 07:37 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It’s not just PFF. He only has 1 pass defended through 7 games. Compare that to last year where he had 15. There’s obviously some significant regression there.
I don’t appreciate the pissy, homer routine. Not every thread is going to be positive (and I’ve started plenty of those). I’m genuinely curious what’s going on with him. You should also probably learn how to spell if you’re going to attack other posters brain cells…
How many passes have been thrown at him? And i know how to spell, it's called a typo.
*poster's
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - GreenCornBengal - 11-01-2021
There’s a reason we’ve only seen a handful of deep pass completed on this defense all year. You don’t see Jessie Bates on the screen because he is doing his part not allowing anything over the top. I do think he needs to make more splash plays, but sometimes they come at the price of giving up a few more passes.
Either way, he didn’t play too well yesterday and agree he needs to up his game if he wants that elite contract.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - bfine32 - 11-01-2021
Is Jesse Bates the best Safety on this team?
I'm not sure
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - hoosierbengal - 11-01-2021
Could is lack of PD’s be related to the fact our DL is getting more pressure? Less balls getting downfield? Just a thought.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - reuben.ahmed - 11-01-2021
I wonder how poorly he'd play if it wasn't for a contract.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - Nicomo Cosca - 11-01-2021
(11-01-2021, 07:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Is Jesse Bates the best Safety on this team?
I'm not sure
This season? Absolutely not. Vonn Bell has been excellent.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - Emeritus - 11-01-2021
(11-01-2021, 07:07 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:I know Bengals twitter loves Jessie Bates. I think he is a key part of this defense and future of the franchise as well. But facts are facts, and right now, he ain't getting it done. Of 93 qual. Safeties:
— Andrew Russell (@PFF_AndrewR) November 1, 2021
61.4 PFF Grade (53rd)
12.7% MT rate (T-41st)
113.2 Pass Rtg All. (32nd)
Only 1 PD and 1 INT in the 7 games he’s played.
A bit of a step back would be one thing, but he’s been flat out bad in a lot of these games. It will be very interesting to see how the team handles his contract negotiations if this continues. I’m a big fan of the guy, and I honestly have no idea what’s going on with him, but I hope he turns it on in the 2nd half of the season.
Just dive for the score next time Jessie!
He's playing solid football but don't count the 2x All Pro out. At least I think he's been robbed the last two.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - Au165 - 11-01-2021
Only thing I’m worried about are the missed tackles. Coverage grades are one of those things that are tough with safeties because the graders sometimes get tricked into who’s job something is by Cb’s looking around with their hands up. His passes defended are down because very few teams attack us down the middle of the field so he doesn’t find himself as the primary defender on much.
All in all he’s not the do it all safety this year I think in part because he hasn’t had to be. With more pressure teams have less time to take deep shots where he can shine. I’m not worried about it, hopefully it’ll help us get the deal done a bit easier. He’s still getting paid like a top 10 safety either way.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - jj22 - 11-01-2021
Maybe he's still hurt. Back/neck injuries are tricky.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - J24 - 11-02-2021
He'll be fine; the dude is a stud.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - rfaulk34 - 11-02-2021
(11-01-2021, 08:18 PM)Au165 Wrote: Only thing I’m worried about are the missed tackles. Coverage grades are one of those things that are tough with safeties because the graders sometimes get tricked into who’s job something is by Cb’s looking around with their hands up. His passes defended are down because very few teams attack us down the middle of the field so he doesn’t find himself as the primary defender on much.
All in all he’s not the do it all safety this year I think in part because he hasn’t had to be. With more pressure teams have less time to take deep shots where he can shine. I’m not worried about it, hopefully it’ll help us get the deal done a bit easier. He’s still getting paid like a top 10 safety either way.
I haven't noticed him chasing too many WRs around after the catch and i've seen him hitting the shit out of a bunch of guys this year.
Here we are with another 'context is more important than bottom line numbers'. Up until the last couple weeks, Bell and Bates were both top 10 graded safeties. I'm not really too worried about him right now.
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - Frank Booth - 11-02-2021
(11-01-2021, 07:37 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It’s not just PFF. He only has 1 pass defended through 7 games. Compare that to last year where he had 15. There’s obviously some significant regression there.
I don’t appreciate the pissy, homer routine. Not every thread is going to be positive (and I’ve started plenty of those). I’m genuinely curious what’s going on with him. You should also probably learn how to spell if you’re going to attack other posters brain cells…
I think that has something to do with the front 4 actually being able to get pressure on the opposing QB’s this season
RE: The regression of Jessie Bates - Shake n Blake - 11-02-2021
Yeah I was worried the "best safety in the league" talk was premature, and at this rate I'm glad we didn't overpay. Another good call by a FO that has been knocking everything out of the park lately.
I think Bates settles in as a "plus" safety, but not the top guy many thought he was. Hopefully he lowers his asking price accordingly.