(11-02-2021, 07:41 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Sad sorry and sounds bad but I never pass judgement until found guilty...

Henry Ruggs accident: The woman who died was only 23 years old. Cops tell us Ruggs was travelling at a high rate of speed & veered into the lane where the Rav4 was travelling, causing the crash. The woman was trapped in the car when it caught on fire. She was dead on the scene.

— michael j. babcock (@mikejbabcock) November 2, 2021

(11-02-2021, 07:03 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I hope they throw the book at him. I have absolutely zero patience for drunk drivers. Especially in the era of Uber and Lyft.

(11-02-2021, 09:52 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I agree with this, but Ruggs was driving an ultra expensive car at an unlawful and unsafe speed in addition to being intoxicated...that goes beyond what uber and lyft can prevent.  Ruggs is 22 so he isn't exactly a kid, but I remember when I was a teenager and dudes I knew and even one of my friends who lived to be a reasonable adult would just drive like absolute maniacs and think nothing of it.  There is just something in some people that turns off that logic center in their brain, because where I came from driving and crashing and dying was oddly common.

I guess what I'm saying is that uber probably isn't going to prevent stuff like this because it isn't about getting from point A to point B, it's about showing off how awesome and daring you are.  At least that is my take.  This wasn't a routine crash, and it wasn't even routine as far as DUIs go. 

(11-02-2021, 10:15 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I honestly have no idea what point you’re trying to make here. It’s pretty simple - - if you are drinking; don’t ***** get behind the wheel. Period. I don’t care if he was 22 and driving a corvette, or 52 and driving a Ford Focus. The guy ended another human being’s life in an absolutely horrific way. And it was 100% preventable. There’s really nothing else that needs to be said. Other than the penalty for a DUI manslaughter should be much more severe.

(11-02-2021, 10:22 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm saying that he was drunk AND driving like a delusional ass who thinks he is the only person on the planet and him showing off that he's a baddass who can be reckless is worth putting lives at risk.

What in my post makes you think I'm defending him?  I'd say I'm going above and beyond because you seem to think a guy who will put people's lives at risk in order to show off is going to be satisfied taking an uber.  It's not about getting from point A to point B...Ruggs was ok with putting people's lives at risk in order to get his jollies behind the wheel.

People who drive like that clearly get some sort of thrill out of the danger of the situation and/or they are too stupid to be able to visualize the very simple possibility of ending their own life or someone else's or going to jail.

So yes, he was drunk AND he was going all-in on being a rotten human being by driving at an unsafe speed while being drunk.  It's a double whammy.  

(11-02-2021, 10:34 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Double whammy for sure, but who knows if the outcome is the same had he not been drunk. If he killed her due to just reckless driving it’s another matter (still bad). But there’s just no excuse for getting behind the wheel drunk. Particularly in Las Vegas of all places where taxi’s, ride sharing, etc are so plentiful. Show off the corvette during the day when you’re not drunk if you must. Hell, apparently the NFLPA will even provide free transportation per request for these exact type of situations.

Another infuriating part of these stories is how often the offenders walk away without a scratch.

(11-02-2021, 10:41 PM)Nately120 Wrote: We are getting off topic here, but no one MUST show off via reckless driving at any point of time, sober or otherwise. Hell, if you are sober and driving like a maniac that says even less about your thought process.  Stuff like this just made me think of how many people think reckless driving is awesome, that's all.  

The cynical truth of it is that doing anything dangerous isn't "cool" unless every now and then someone had to get hurt/killed/ruin his life in the process.  I guess I see it more as there is no excuse to drive drunk and there is no excuse to drive in a manner which puts innocent lives at risk.  Ruggs did both in one fell swoop. 

(11-02-2021, 04:19 PM)jason Wrote: Minimum of 2 years in the state pen...

(11-02-2021, 11:12 PM)Synric Wrote: So likely 6 months on good behavior and parole? I know Vehicular Manslaughter is also a misdemeanor so possible house arrest instead?

(11-02-2021, 09:52 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I agree with this, but Ruggs was driving an ultra expensive car at an unlawful and unsafe speed in addition to being intoxicated...that goes beyond what uber and lyft can prevent.  Ruggs is 22 so he isn't exactly a kid, but I remember when I was a teenager and dudes I knew and even one of my friends who lived to be a reasonable adult would just drive like absolute maniacs and think nothing of it.  There is just something in some people that turns off that logic center in their brain, because where I came from driving and crashing and dying was oddly common.

I guess what I'm saying is that uber probably isn't going to prevent stuff like this because it isn't about getting from point A to point B, it's about showing off how awesome and daring you are.  At least that is my take.  This wasn't a routine crash, and it wasn't even routine as far as DUIs go.


Looking at the damage to Ruggs' corvette, I'm amazed he isn't dead.  His car is shredded, and the SUV of the victim burst into flames. 

(11-02-2021, 10:34 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Double whammy for sure, but who knows if the outcome is the same had he not been drunk. If he killed her due to just reckless driving it’s another matter (still bad). But there’s just no excuse for getting behind the wheel drunk. Particularly in Las Vegas of all places where taxi’s, ride sharing, etc are so plentiful. Show off the corvette during the day when you’re not drunk if you must. Hell, apparently the NFLPA will even provide free transportation per request for these exact type of situations.

Another infuriating part of these stories is how often the offenders walk away without a scratch.

(11-03-2021, 01:19 AM)Whatever Wrote: Hypothetically, taxis and such can prevent this stuff.  However, if you're drunk, your thought process is impeded, so you won't necessarily make the right decision.  Lots of people make dumb decisions while they're under the influence.

Problem is, in society, it's ok to drive drunk unless you kill somebody.  If society was serious about stopping this stuff, bars wouldn't exist.  Restaurants that serve alcohol would be required to take the keys of patrons before serving them and not return them until the can blow under the legal limit on a breathalyzer.