(01-03-2022, 04:27 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Eagles Nick Sirianni should be coach of the year hands down.  Shocked that he is not even listed among the favorites.

Eagles have $62 million DEAD CAP SPACE and $18 million in unused cap space.  Those are mind boggling numbers.

For comparison sake the Bengals have $15 million of dead cap space and $6.9 million unused cap space.

The Eagles were TRYING TO TANK and right now Sirianni has them in the playoffs.

(01-03-2022, 04:17 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I think Chase, Burrow and ZT should all win the latter 3 awards. MVP is Rodgers' though, in my opinion.

Burrow is not only coming back from a worse injury (multiple ligament tears and potential structural knee damage vs a fractured and dislocated ankle) on a shorter time line (Dak was injured October 11th, Burrow was injured November 22nd), but he's also had better stats (389 of 569, 68.4% 4154, 7.3 ypa, 32 TD, 10 INT, 100.9 QB Rating vs 366 of 520, 70.4% 4611, 8.9 ypa, 34 TD, 14 INT, 108.3 QB rating) and has led his team farther than expected (Dallas was expected to compete for the playoffs and potentially the super bowl, the Bengals were expected to bottom out the AFC North). I don't even think it's a contest, to be honest. The only reason to give Dak that award over Joe is big city bias.

For Chase vs Mac, Chase is breaking records, Mac isn't. That alone is enough of an argument. He is doing things only 1 or 2 players have ever done, whereas Mac is just, you know...fine. Good for a rookie but nowhere near as good as Chase. Last year, the excuse that was given for Herbert winning it over Jefferson was that Herbert was also breaking records. That isn't the case this year and Chase has unequivocally outperformed Jefferson's season last year. If they give this award to Mac, they should just rename the award "Rookie Quarterback of the year" because it will have lost all meaning.

As for Coach of the year, I think this award is about exceeding expectations. If it was strictly about success (which would be the case if they gave it to Lafleur), then they'd just award it to the super bowl champion (or one of the #1 seed teams) coach every year. Marvin Lewis won the award in 2009 because he took a 4-11-1 team and made the playoffs the following year. Like with Burrow, taking a team that people were predicting to be at the bottom of the AFC north and winning the division with them is what this award is all about, in my opinion. Kevan Stefanski in 2020, John Harbaugh in 2019, Matt Nagy in 2018, Sean McVay in 2017, Jason Garrett in 2016, Ron Rivera in 2015 etc. Almost all of these coaches were awarded because they exceeded expectations, not because they met already high expectations.

(01-03-2022, 04:32 PM)Au165 Wrote: They haven't beat a team with a winning record, you have made it very clear this season, multiple times, that it matters.

(01-03-2022, 05:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If everything else was equal it would matter a lot.  But what I am looking at is a coach who is working with a huge handicap.

Eagles only have 2 players with a cap hit over $6.6 million while Bengals have 5.

Eagles only have 5 players with a cap hit over $3.7 million (ridiculous low number) while the Bengals have 13.

(01-03-2022, 05:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If everything else was equal it would matter a lot.  But what I am looking at is a coach who is working with a huge handicap.

Eagles only have 2 players with a cap hit over $6.6 million while Bengals have 5.

Eagles only have 5 players with a cap hit over $3.7 million (ridiculous low number) while the Bengals have 13.

(01-03-2022, 05:13 PM)The Clapp Wrote: if you go by that logic.. The Coach for one team was able to recruit and sign better players than the coach for the other team... right?

(01-03-2022, 04:53 PM)wcu Wrote: The Burrow / Prescott thing really kills me.  I don't see how anyone could logically look at the facts you just described and say that Dak Prescott deserves that award over Joe Burrow.  I really wish that there was some expert/voter/whatever that could explain what we're missing here.

(01-03-2022, 05:15 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: The attempts are virtually the same (520 to 513), yet Joe has a whopping 634 more yards.


The only thing Rodgers beats Burrow on is fewer INTs, but that's at a cost. He's making way fewer big plays than Burrow.

(01-03-2022, 05:27 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Burrow's yards per attempt is only 14% better than Rodgers.

If that is "whopping" then what is Rodgers' 238% advantage in interception percentage?  And despite throwing far fewer interceptions Rodgers also has a higher td percentage than Joe.

It is no real insult to say that Rodgers is outplaying Burrow.  To me Rodgers is the most talented QB ever.  

(01-03-2022, 05:27 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Burrow's yards per attempt is only 14% better than Rodgers.

(01-03-2022, 06:08 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I agree with the first three as far as odds go, but the last one I don't.

Mike Vrabel lost Derrick Henry only 8 weeks in, got basically nothing from Julio Jones all year, and Tannehill regressed hard.... Yet the Titans are the #1 seed.