(01-17-2022, 02:30 AM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: Also interestingly while there is some success I see more bad than good with these guys.

(01-17-2022, 02:45 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Think it shows that no matter how talented a draft pick is, they can't win it all without a supporting cast.

The Bengals are trying to build a full team, especially on the defense with the activity in free agency. Seeing Palmer is so frustrating, if the team had been this active in FA with Palmer and Chad and TJ, I don't think it takes 30 years but hey, at least that streak is gone.

(01-17-2022, 02:24 AM)JaggedJimmyJay Wrote: I decided to look back at all of the quarterbacks taken #1 overall (exception for Rivers since he was in a weird spot) since 2000 to see how their postseason careers went/have gone.

2001 - Michael Vick - 2 playoff wins (2-4), first coming in his 2nd season
2002 - David Carr - never made the playoffs
2003 - Carson Palmer - 1 playoff win (1-3), coming in his 13th season for a different franchise
2004 - Eli Manning - 8 playoff wins (8-4, 2-0 in Super Bowl), first coming in his 4th season ||| Philip Rivers - 5 playoff wins (5-7), first coming in 4th season
2005 - Alex Smith - 2 playoff wins (2-5), first coming in his 7th season
2007 - JaMarcus Russell - never made the playoffs
2009 - Matt Stafford - 0 playoff wins (0-3)
2010 - Sam Bradford - never made the playoffs
2011 - Cam Newton - 3 playoff wins (3-4; 0-1 in Super Bowl), first coming in 4th season
2012 - Andrew Luck - 4 playoff wins (4-4), first in 2nd season
2015 - Jameis Winston - never made the playoffs as a starter
2016 - Jared Goff - 3 playoff wins (3-3; 0-1 in Super Bowl), first coming in 3rd season
2018 - Baker Mayfield - 1 playoff win (1-1), coming in 3rd season
2019 - Kyler Murray - first playoff game tomorrow
2020 - Joe Burrow - 1 playoff win (1-0), first coming in 2nd season
2021 - Trevor Lawrence - never made the playoffs

I didn't know how this would look ahead of time. There are a lot more playoff wins overall than I expected, so perhaps that's a nice general reflection on the institution of number one overall QBs. Only two others were able to get a playoff win as quickly as Joe Burrow though (both bolded). Technically Trevor Lawrence still can.

I'm not suggesting this is a particularly meaningful review, but it interested me. At the very least we're off to a great start. Burrow has already matched Palmer and Dalton combined in playoff wins.

(01-17-2022, 11:39 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: There is an strange similarity between Luck and Burrow.  Although Burrow is much more mobile than Luck, and I think the doesn't "take on" big hits, he sure gets his share of them.  The Colts failed to protect Luck and it shortened his career greatly.

I think Burrow's escapability is much improved with his knee 100% compared to early in the season, but the story of Luck should not be lost on the front office.  

I really liked the moves they made this past year, and I think they will take another step next season.  

(01-17-2022, 11:39 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: There is an strange similarity between Luck and Burrow.  Although Burrow is much more mobile than Luck, and I think the doesn't "take on" big hits, he sure gets his share of them.  The Colts failed to protect Luck and it shortened his career greatly.

I think Burrow's escapability is much improved with his knee 100% compared to early in the season, but the story of Luck should not be lost on the front office.  

I really liked the moves they made this past year, and I think they will take another step next season.  

(01-17-2022, 11:49 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: I think you might be misremembering Luck here, racer. Luck was a very mobile QB. He ran a 4.67 forty and averaged nearly five yards per carry for his career. He was also a tank. 

You can see some of his mobility here. Also, another personal favorite, and one last one.


I agree with your overall point, though. They don't need an elite offensive line but even an average offensive line would be a significant upgrade. 

(01-17-2022, 11:57 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: He wasn't a statue like Brady, but his mobility wasn't close to what Burrow is today.  He was a tank, though, and trying to run through guys also shortened his career.  I think Joe has realized that sliding and fighting for the next play is a wise choice.

I didn't mean to make it sound like he wasn't agile at all, just not like Burrow.  

(01-17-2022, 12:03 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Burrow seems to have progressed about understanding when to protect himself and the ball. When the pocket collapses and the sack is coming, he's been good about covering up the ball with both hands and going down. I don't know if Luck always tried to make something happen, but if he did then surely it contributed to his injuries. 

(01-17-2022, 11:57 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: He wasn't a statue like Brady, but his mobility wasn't close to what Burrow is today.  He was a tank, though, and trying to run through guys also shortened his career.  I think Joe has realized that sliding and fighting for the next play is a wise choice.

I didn't mean to make it sound like he wasn't agile at all, just not like Burrow.  

(01-17-2022, 11:39 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: There is an strange similarity between Luck and Burrow.  Although Burrow is much more mobile than Luck, and I think the doesn't "take on" big hits, he sure gets his share of them.  The Colts failed to protect Luck and it shortened his career greatly.

I think Burrow's escapability is much improved with his knee 100% compared to early in the season, but the story of Luck should not be lost on the front office.  

I really liked the moves they made this past year, and I think they will take another step next season.  

(01-17-2022, 12:13 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Man, agree to disagree I guess. Saying that he wasn't even close is wildly off the mark but the argument isn't important in the long run. Hell, Andrew Luck ran a faster three cone than Ja'Marr Chase did and ran a 4.59* forty. That dude was a pretty ridiculous athlete, especially at 234 pounds. 

(01-17-2022, 12:18 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: What?  Chase ran the short shuttle in something crazy like 3.99, the first WR to break 4 seconds since Amari Cooper.

I am not sure the three cone, but I would assume he slipped or something.  Luck has a beast, but you are talking about speed, not elusiveness.  I would put Burrow up there right now with the likes of Mahommes and Rogers.  Luck just wasn't in that class of elusive.  

(01-17-2022, 12:18 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: We just don;t know about our 2021 draft picks, Smith went to IR early, Hill not seen the field much and Carman pretty much has ended up a backup after expectations that he would take over at RG this season.  This is a bit contrast to how the Chiefs scored with their draft picks this year, 2nd round center Humphrey was one of the top centers in the NFL his rookie year and 6th round Trey Smith played well also, both ended up on some All rookie teams... 

Just think if our 2nd round Carman and 4th round Smith performed at 60% of the same level would make us feel a bit more comfortable with them as they head into their 2nd year... 

(01-17-2022, 12:23 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Yeah, Chase ran a 3.99 short shuttle but a 6.96 three cone. Luck ran a 6.80 three cone with a 4.28 short shuttle. 

I would definitely like to see the offensive line upgraded more, I hate seeing Burrow take so many hits. 

(01-17-2022, 12:35 PM)Go Cards Wrote: #1 draft picks mostly go to horrible teams