(02-15-2022, 04:18 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Why didn't we see more rollouts, especially in the Super Bowl? It was obvious that the pocket was collapsing around Burrow all game so why didn't we roll Burrow out and away from Donald?

I realize that they have Floyd and Miller on the outside, but I'd rather take my chances against them in the open field than against Donald and the other d-linemen in the pocket.

Burrow also would have had a better chance to throw the ball away while rolling out.

Rolling him out also would have helped the run game and vice-versa because the defense would be looking towards the middle.

I realize Burrow had his knee injury last season but was moving ok and rolling him out would have prevented injuring it more.

Anyone know why it wasn't in the game plan to roll him out more and why we didn't see any in-game adjustments to do it?

(02-15-2022, 04:27 PM)TheFan Wrote: Burrow is too slow to effectively utilize the rollout game if the OT will barely get more than a hand on the DE like ours were doing. We were needing our TE and RB to stay in for a second to chip just to help out so there wouldn't be a quick dump off that wouldn't get blow up. 

(02-15-2022, 04:18 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Why didn't we see more rollouts, especially in the Super Bowl? It was obvious that the pocket was collapsing around Burrow all game so why didn't we roll Burrow out and away from Donald?

I realize that they have Floyd and Miller on the outside, but I'd rather take my chances against them in the open field than against Donald and the other d-linemen in the pocket.

Burrow also would have had a better chance to throw the ball away while rolling out.

Rolling him out also would have helped the run game and vice-versa because the defense would be looking towards the middle.

I realize Burrow had his knee injury last season but was moving ok and rolling him out would have prevented injuring it more.

Anyone know why it wasn't in the game plan to roll him out more and why we didn't see any in-game adjustments to do it?

(02-15-2022, 04:35 PM)higgy100 Wrote: One of the safest plays in football is to roll out the QB to buy some time and throw even a quick 5-6 yard out especially to one the Bengals WR's where every CB has to play them honestly. Shocking we never saw that.

(02-15-2022, 04:18 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Why didn't we see more rollouts, especially in the Super Bowl? It was obvious that the pocket was collapsing around Burrow all game so why didn't we roll Burrow out and away from Donald?

I realize that they have Floyd and Miller on the outside, but I'd rather take my chances against them in the open field than against Donald and the other d-linemen in the pocket.

Burrow also would have had a better chance to throw the ball away while rolling out.

Rolling him out also would have helped the run game and vice-versa because the defense would be looking towards the middle.

I realize Burrow had his knee injury last season but was moving ok and rolling him out would have prevented injuring it more.

Anyone know why it wasn't in the game plan to roll him out more and why we didn't see any in-game adjustments to do it?

(02-15-2022, 04:26 PM)Interceptor Wrote: Ask Zac, he the shot caller. I have the same question.

(02-15-2022, 04:27 PM)TheFan Wrote: It was rare when just 1 person was being beat and it wasn't the whole line collapsing. I would guess it had to do with them not knowing which side was going to instantly collapse and therefore basically guaranteeing a 5-10 yard loss. 

Burrow is too slow to effectively utilize the rollout game if the OT will barely get more than a hand on the DE like ours were doing. We were needing our TE and RB to stay in for a second to chip just to help out so there wouldn't be a quick dump off that wouldn't get blow up. 

I'm not sure why they never tried Carmen in there when Adenji showed time and time again he was too weak. At least I don't remember Carmen being in there.

(02-15-2022, 04:29 PM)Interceptor Wrote: Yeah, if I had balls as big as his, I'd be slow, too.

(02-15-2022, 04:35 PM)higgy100 Wrote: One of the safest plays in football is to roll out the QB to buy some time and throw even a quick 5-6 yard out especially to one the Bengals WR's where every CB has to play them honestly. Shocking we never saw that.

(02-15-2022, 04:48 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: I’m wondering if Joe Burrow was limited bc of the knee injury.  Who knows.  The last play of the game is similar to the play burrow got out of chris Jones.  Better player + more limited QB.

(02-15-2022, 04:58 PM)TKUHL Wrote: Could have won the game on the last play if he rolled out with Chase wide open. Still sick

(02-15-2022, 04:27 PM)TheFan Wrote: It was rare when just 1 person was being beat and it wasn't the whole line collapsing. I would guess it had to do with them not knowing which side was going to instantly collapse and therefore basically guaranteeing a 5-10 yard loss. 

Burrow is too slow to effectively utilize the rollout game if the OT will barely get more than a hand on the DE like ours were doing. We were needing our TE and RB to stay in for a second to chip just to help out so there wouldn't be a quick dump off that wouldn't get blow up. 

I'm not sure why they never tried Carmen in there when Adenji showed time and time again he was too weak. At least I don't remember Carmen being in there.

(02-15-2022, 04:26 PM)Interceptor Wrote: Ask Zac, he the shot caller. I have the same question.

(02-15-2022, 04:18 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Why didn't we see more rollouts, especially in the Super Bowl? It was obvious that the pocket was collapsing around Burrow all game so why didn't we roll Burrow out and away from Donald?

I realize that they have Floyd and Miller on the outside, but I'd rather take my chances against them in the open field than against Donald and the other d-linemen in the pocket.

Burrow also would have had a better chance to throw the ball away while rolling out.

Rolling him out also would have helped the run game and vice-versa because the defense would be looking towards the middle.

I realize Burrow had his knee injury last season but was moving ok and rolling him out would have prevented injuring it more.

Anyone know why it wasn't in the game plan to roll him out more and why we didn't see any in-game adjustments to do it?

(02-15-2022, 05:28 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: Zac being the shot caller is also the answer to your question. The worst thing about having ZT is that now you guys were in the Super Bowl he just bought at least 2 more seasons of job security, and since he’s got Burrow probably more like 5. 

(02-15-2022, 05:36 PM)Au165 Wrote: Their wide front (Collinsworth called it an overload but that's debatable) was ran to the QB dominant side (right). You can't roll to that side because the widest man was in a Wide 9 alignment giving him a free release on a rollout/sprint-out to the right. We did go to some boot action early that was semi successful but once they swapped into the bear front late that is hard to do because of run fits the guys don't need to crash the edge to bite on the bootleg.

(02-15-2022, 05:51 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: He probably gets a lifetime contract.

That said, you need elite coaches to win SBs. Burrow could attract one. But, Zac will be the coach possibly all of Joe's career.

(02-15-2022, 05:24 PM)Wyche Wrote: Carman was listed as "back" on the injury report. I'm guessing he was there for emergency use only. 

As to the rollout question, I think you answered it. 

(02-15-2022, 05:36 PM)Au165 Wrote: Their wide front (Collinsworth called it an overload but that's debatable) was ran to the QB dominant side (right). You can't roll to that side because the widest man was in a Wide 9 alignment giving him a free release on a rollout/sprint-out to the right. We did go to some boot action early that was semi successful but once they swapped into the bear front late that is hard to do because of run fits the guys don't need to crash the edge to bite on the bootleg.