(06-29-2022, 11:16 AM)fredtoast Wrote: A lot of people complained about "play calling" last year but in my experience fans accept any "play calling" if it works but will criticize the exact same "play calling" if it does not work.

So I think the upgrades on the o-line will take care of a lot of criticism of the "play calling".

(06-29-2022, 11:49 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Very anxious to see what happens with the rebuilt Oline.

(06-29-2022, 12:31 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: You could tell in the Dehner/Morrison podcast the other day that what they’ve wanted to do because of the OL and the need to protect Burrow it’s been like an anchor on the offense’s neck. As I’ve maintained Mixon is dynamic with open space. This year he finally gets recognized for being a top 3 back in the NFL.

(06-29-2022, 11:07 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: NFL top under 40 stars per their NFL peers

Zac Taylor, Bengals | Age: 39

Taylor’s job status seemed somewhat shaky heading into the 2021 season. Then he led one of the most impressive worst-to-first turnarounds in NFL history, as the Bengals won two AFC road playoff games to reach the Super Bowl, where they nearly held off the Rams.

Taylor inherited a mess when he was hired by the Bengals in 2019, and while landing a franchise quarterback in Joe Burrow certainly helped accelerate the rebuild, Taylor has created a winning culture in Cincinnati. Now his challenge is sustaining the success from 2021 and building on it.

Assistant coaches

Brian Callahan, Bengals offensive coordinator | Age: 38

Callahan was a 27-year-old entry-level offensive assistant coach with the Broncos when Peyton Manning became Denver’s new quarterback. The subsequent four years they spent together was the equivalent to earning “beyond a Ph.D. in football,” Callahan said.

Now that Callahan is working with Burrow, he finds himself frequently leaning on what he learned with Manning.

“(Manning) forced you to be so thorough. It taught me how to teach quarterbacks and how to give them the right information,” Callahan told The Athletic recently. “My job as a coach in that quarterback room, if you have a quarterback of Joe’s caliber, you want to empower him to have command over the whole thing. Seeing the way Peyton had control over the whole offense, that was valuable to me, and I can impart that to Joe.”

Callahan, whose father is longtime NFL offensive coach Bill Callahan, said he has head-coach aspirations. For now, though, he is fulfilled being one of three offensive coaches in Burrow’s ear, along with Taylor and 35-year-old quarterbacks coach Dan Pitcher. The trio has been together since Taylor’s arrival in Cincinnati in 2019.

“We all grew up together in a sense. We took our lumps, had a lot of failures and learned a lot professionally and personally. That really galvanized our staff. Everybody’s on the same page on how we want to do things,” Callahan said. “There’s an excitement here, and moments where we’re young enough, we don’t know better, we just do the things we feel are right. Hopefully we’ll look back on this staff in 10 years and say, ‘That’s a really dynamic staff, everyone’s gone on to do great things.’”

(06-29-2022, 12:45 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Yep

Our Oline has been below average to complete crap for several years now. It has to have had a giant bearing on play calling, game plans, and so on. It was pretty much a miracle we made it as far as we did last year !

How many times have our RB's been hit in the backfield over the last several seasons ? Our QB's had free rushers busting right through on pass plays ?

Like you say they've had a yoke around their necks. Can't wait to see.... a different O.

(06-29-2022, 04:42 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: The Bengals least penalized team but the same pundit says that doesn’t mean much.


It’s like a political party in power claiming it’s the other party.

(06-29-2022, 04:42 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I love the pundits ( you know who) Taylor changes the type of player pursued in the draft as well as FA and helps facilitate a winning culture and effort but he had little to do with him it was just the better players. The Bengals least penalized team but the same pundit says that doesn’t mean much. Then good coaches shouldn’t have to win close games LOL then that’s totally refuted. Bengals had a very respectable margin of victory. It’s like a political party in power claiming it’s the other party.

(06-29-2022, 04:42 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I love the pundits ( you know who) Taylor changes the type of player pursued in the draft as well as FA and helps facilitate a winning culture and effort but he had little to do with him it was just the better players. The Bengals least penalized team but the same pundit says that doesn’t mean much. Then good coaches shouldn’t have to win close games LOL then that’s totally refuted. Bengals had a very respectable margin of victory. It’s like a political party in power claiming it’s the other party.

(06-29-2022, 09:07 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Can’t help you Fred if you don’t think the least penalized team in the NFL doesn’t benefit from that.

(06-29-2022, 10:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I can't help if you refuse to believe the facts that we have already shown to you.

There is zero significant correlation between penalties and winning football games.  If the least penalized team in the league benefitted, then you would be able to show over the years show the least penalized teams winning a higher percentage of games.

But you can't do that because it never happened.  Better DBs get more penalties because they are in tight coverage more often.  Aggressive teams often get more penalties.  And there are probably other reasons I don't know about.  But the numbers prove that fewer penalties does not mean "better team" or "greater chance of winning".

(06-29-2022, 11:39 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Yep that's definitely fair.
I think when people call out playcalling (or at least myself), it's more often about why try to perform an inside run vs outside, or a pass vs a run, or a deep pass when all you need is a few yards. And as you said, it's typically when whatever was called didn't work.
With all that said, it's not guaranteed that calling some other play would have necessarily worked either. We just assume it would because it's more logical in our minds that it would have.

(06-29-2022, 11:18 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: It’s Football 101, Freddie

(06-30-2022, 12:04 AM)fredtoast Wrote: No it is not.  The numbers prove I am rigth on this.


Penalties don't correlate to wins, losses in NFL - mlive.com


Let me guess.  You also think it is a proven fact that players should not be allowed to drink water during practice because it makes them soft.  And the reason it is true is because you say it is true, right?

(06-30-2022, 12:10 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: You have this book it’s on page 34 I’m told https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/football-for-dummies-for-dummies_howie-long_john-czarnecki/273297/item/480576/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw8O-VBhCpARIsACMvVLPvVP4O3s6RVnUebFL_GfC8aFQ6yfVT3QhyOuGLkC9MdrhelcL5HTsaAlX2EALw_wcB#isbn=0470125365&idiq=480576

(06-29-2022, 11:32 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Disagree.  

Look at 2009: we swept the division and were winning games but everyone bashed Bratkowski, including fans boing at the games, because of his predictable, run-heavy offense.