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Mahle traded to the Twins - CJD - 08-02-2022
These three players boast some pretty insane stats right now: Quote:Steer had a .269 batting average and a .361 on-base percentage in 83 games between Double-A and Triple-A this year with 23 doubles, 20 homers and 62 RBI. The 24-year-old has experience at shortstop, third base and second base, and he’s known for his contact-oriented approach with 42 walks to 66 strikeouts. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/mlb/reds/2022/08/02/reds-trade-tyler-mahle-minnesota-twins-ahead-trade-deadline/10181687002/ All three of these players seem to be ascending players, as their stats do not match their rankings in the Twin's systems. I think all three are in the midst of break out seasons, so you could argue the Twins are selling high on them. They are in the early 20s, so there isn't as much projection required for these 3 as there were for the prospects from the Naquin and Castillo trades, but they certainly seem like solid additions to the farm system and could be up in the majors within a year or 2. RE: Mahle traded to the Twins - CJD - 08-02-2022 Spencer Steer: Quote:Scouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 45https://www.mlb.com/prospects/twins/spencer-steer-668715 Christian Encarnacion-Strand Quote:Scouting grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 50 | Run: 40 | Arm: 50 | Field: 50 | Oveall: 40https://www.mlb.com/prospects/twins/christian-encarnacion-strand-687952 Steve Hajjar Quote:Scouting Grades: Fastball: 50 | Curveball: 50 | Slider: 50 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 50 | Overall: 45 https://www.mlb.com/prospects/twins/steve-hajjar-680727 Mahle traded to the Twins - BenZoo2 - 08-02-2022 This seems like a reasonable haul for Mahle. Though I would have had no issue keeping him either. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Mahle traded to the Twins - leonardfan40 - 08-02-2022 Another good deal for us. Never know how it turns out but at least we are getting good/great value at the time of these trades. More than I could say about 5-10 years ago when we shipped big guys off. RE: Mahle traded to the Twins - bengalfan74 - 08-02-2022 Sounds like the Reds have a good chance of doing very well in these trades. We'll see Mahle traded to the Twins - The D.O.Z. - 08-02-2022 Steer is almost MLB ready. If he keeps improving, I expect him to be a September call up this year. RE: Mahle traded to the Twins - ochocincos - 08-03-2022 At this point, it's Votto, Moose, Farmer, and a bunch of young bucks on their first contract. Some of these guys like India, Stephenson, Greene, Lodolo, and Ashcraft are exciting, but the Reds will need a couple more players to start competing again. Hopefully some of these guys who came in via trade will help build the new core. RE: Mahle traded to the Twins - samhain - 08-03-2022 I wonder if perhaps India gets moved to left. He's booted a lot more balls this year, and they have a ton of young infielders that need seasoning. Maybe Steer at 2nd, Barrero at short, and farmer at 3rd next year with India/Senzel/dead end right fielder in the OF. RE: Mahle traded to the Twins - CJD - 08-04-2022 (08-03-2022, 10:17 PM)samhain Wrote: I wonder if perhaps India gets moved to left. He's booted a lot more balls this year, and they have a ton of young infielders that need seasoning. Maybe Steer at 2nd, Barrero at short, and farmer at 3rd next year with India/Senzel/dead end right fielder in the OF. It's possible that our 2024 opening day lineup is something along the lines of: C: Tyler Stephenson 1B: Christian Encarnacion-Strand/Free Agent 2B: Spencer Steer 3B: Elly De La Cruz SS: Noelvi Marte LF: Johnathan India CF: Matt McLain RF: Austin Hendrick/Free Agent DH: Free Agent (maybe Rece Hinds/Tyler Callihan?) Of course, this line up will require a lot of prospects to progress and graduate to the majors on schedule, which is not a given by any means, but this is what I would consider the ideal scenario line up and it is brimming with potential. I think 1B, RF and DH are the most likely positions that we'd fill via free agency, but we have some potential at each position as well, especially if Encarnacion-Strand continues his hot hitting. Cam Collier also is said to be a young but potentially quick development player, since he was playing in JUCO with players 3 to 4 years his senior and dominating. RE: Mahle traded to the Twins - bengalfan74 - 08-04-2022 (08-04-2022, 02:14 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: It's possible that our 2024 opening day lineup is something along the lines of: I've heard some talk, not official of course, about moving Stephenson to 1B. Mostly to avoid the injury problems of course. Perhaps they'll move Votto to DH/ part time role next season ? RE: Mahle traded to the Twins - CJD - 08-04-2022 (08-04-2022, 10:44 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I've heard some talk, not official of course, about moving Stephenson to 1B. Mostly to avoid the injury problems of course. Honestly, that's probably for the best. A catcher who is good with the pitchers who can also hit well is one of the rarest things in baseball (Buster Posey style player) and Stephenson would lose a bit of that "specialness" if we reverted him to 1B, but we can't have him breaking bones from foul tips all season. First, it was a concussion on a play at the plate (with him as catcher, not runner), then it was his thumb on a foul tip, and now it is his collarbone on another foul tip. Either this guy is too fragile to be back there or is one of the most unlucky dudes ever. Either way, maybe taking him out of the line of fire is a good idea. With that said, if we do that, we'll have a gaping hole at Catcher that we'd need to fill in some way if we want to compete. Papierski and Kolozsvary are not major league quality players, especially not if we hope to be a contender in the next few years. RE: Mahle traded to the Twins - samhain - 08-04-2022 (08-04-2022, 11:18 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Honestly, that's probably for the best. A catcher who is good with the pitchers who can also hit well is one of the rarest things in baseball (Buster Posey style player) and Stephenson would lose a bit of that "specialness" if we reverted him to 1B, but we can't have him breaking bones from foul tips all season. First, it was a concussion on a play at the plate (with him as catcher, not runner), then it was his thumb on a foul tip, and now it is his collarbone on another foul tip. Either this guy is too fragile to be back there or is one of the most unlucky dudes ever. Either way, maybe taking him out of the line of fire is a good idea. I think Stephenson should be protected and moved to first, but the organization seems extremely reluctant. A catcher with his offensive skills is extremely rare. It's an apples and oranges comparison, but it's sort of like having a freak TE like Gronk or Gates in an offense. It's such an unusual advantage that the WAR gains in metrics get skewed heavily in your favor. That's how I think they view it. That's a dumb way to go if you want to keep your best offensive player on the field, but it's what it is. Plus, what's the use of keeping him behind the plate to skew the WAR metric if you don't have anyone else in the offense to help you capitalize? Soto, Biggio, Schwarber, etc, were all cathers until it could no longer be justified. I think eventually the same happens for Stephenson. By 2024, Votto and Moose are gone and so are their contracts. The team will have between 80-90 mil in payroll obligations in 2023. Subtract those two albatross deals, and you're looking at 40 mil plus coming off the books. They will have a practically non-existent payroll of 50 mil or so. They can go out and buy a serviceable (thinking Barnhart caliber) to good catcher with that kind of payroll structure. RE: Mahle traded to the Twins - CJD - 08-04-2022 (08-04-2022, 11:55 AM)samhain Wrote: I think Stephenson should be protected and moved to first, but the organization seems extremely reluctant. A catcher with his offensive skills is extremely rare. It's an apples and oranges comparison, but it's sort of like having a freak TE like Gronk or Gates in an offense. It's such an unusual advantage that the WAR gains in metrics get skewed heavily in your favor. That's how I think they view it. That's a dumb way to go if you want to keep your best offensive player on the field, but it's what it is. Plus, what's the use of keeping him behind the plate to skew the WAR metric if you don't have anyone else in the offense to help you capitalize? Soto, Biggio, Schwarber, etc, were all cathers until it could no longer be justified. I think eventually the same happens for Stephenson. I agree with you completely about how the Reds view it. A player of Stephenson's offensive caliber who also plays one of the most valuable defensive positions well is the type of player that a World Series team is built around (The same goes for a shortstop with elite offensive production), but if he is getting injured because of it, you eventually need to make the change. And I think they ultimately will. I just hope he doesn't get too banged up before they have that realization. I'm really excited for the 2024 season because, like you said, they have the opportunity to buy out both Votto's and Moose's contracts at the exact time that so many of these top prospects are projected to hit the major leagues. That leaves them with a team full of cheap, young talented players and only a handful of veteran contracts. They could really go out and make a splash in free agency if the prospects like EDLC, Marte etc come through and shine as we hope they do. |