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These guys just throw stuff at the wall, and hope it sticks - SunsetBengal - 02-08-2023
This guy annoints the Pitt DT as the second coming of John Randle, then goes on to contradict his own words by calling him explosive, and then recanting about his "motor not being there"...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bengals-land-a-guy-compared-to-john-randle-in-new-mock-draft/ar-AA17dEGA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6e791c6312fb4fd8956412cd1ff80a9e
Quote:The Cincinnati Bengals are in a great spot entering the 2023 NFL Draft.
While some needs, like offensive line or tight end, could be more significant based on how NFL free agency plays out, the Bengals won’t be strapped to a specific group of players. That means mock draft season has been enjoyable thus far with Cincinnati being linked to many names across the board.
While tight ends are typically the ones taken by Cincinnati with pick No. 28, NFL.com draft guru Lance Zierlein has another idea — an explosive interior pass rusher. He has the Bengals taking Calijah Kancey at No. 28.
“Let’s step outside of the box here. Kancey is right at 280 pounds but is ridiculously explosive with A+ rush talent. He can’t play every down, but he can impact games from the interior,” Zierlein wrote.
Kancey is a redshirt junior by way of the Pittsburgh Panthers. He is a defensive tackle and could be useful given how many snaps DJ Reader and B.J. Hill have had to account for in the interior. Having a guy like Kancey would keep them fresher for the whole season.
The explosive 6-foot, 280-pound Kancey had 31 tackles, 14.5 of which were for a loss last season. He also totaled 7.5 sacks. As Zierlein wrote, his motor may not be there, but his explosive should create an immediate impact for the Bengals' defensive line.
Adding more excitement to this potential pick is Zierlein’s scouting report of Kancey, which includes a comparison to NFL legend John Randle. Like Randle, Kancey is undersized for a defensive tackle but still thrives as a pass rusher, and you can’t have enough good pass rushers in today’s NFL.
“He’s a nightmare for offenses as a pass rusher,” Zierlein said of Kancey. “His twitchy feet can slide and reset points of attack. His leverage and motor are often too much for guards to handle alone. Kancey might be most effective as a rotational run defender and full-time, sub-package rusher, but his size will not define him in the NFL.”
With three tight ends already off the board in this mock draft, it is ideal for the Bengals to snag a talent like Kancey instead of automatically taking the best tight end or offensive lineman on the board. Kancey looks like someone who can tremendously aid the Bengals' defense front.
RE: These guys just throw stuff at the wall, and hope it sticks - psychdoctor - 02-08-2023
(02-08-2023, 12:02 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: This guy annoints the Pitt DT as the second coming of John Randle, then goes on to contradict his own words by calling him explosive, and then recanting about his "motor not being there"...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bengals-land-a-guy-compared-to-john-randle-in-new-mock-draft/ar-AA17dEGA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6e791c6312fb4fd8956412cd1ff80a9e
Kancey is really good Sunset. I would not be surprised if Bengals pick him Round 1-2. I think Bengals should go BPA and not need for round 1. At least to a point. But if not Mayer then maybe Jones, or Kancey. The thing about Kancey is he is small and only 2 down player. But what the Bengals really need is that 3rd rusher. Hendrickson and Hubbard can hold edges but they need that 3rd guy that Ossai was thought to be.
RE: These guys just throw stuff at the wall, and hope it sticks - SunsetBengal - 02-08-2023
(02-08-2023, 01:55 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: Kancey is really good Sunset. I would not be surprised if Bengals pick him Round 1-2. I think Bengals should go BPA and not need for round 1. At least to a point. But if not Mayer then maybe Jones, or Kancey. The thing about Kancey is he is small and only 2 down player. But what the Bengals really need is that 3rd rusher. Hendrickson and Hubbard can hold edges but they need that 3rd guy that Ossai was thought to be.
I know who he is, and would love to see him selected by the Bengals. My nitpick is with Zierlein building him up, and then contradicting his own opinion by saying that "his motor may not be there".
RE: These guys just throw stuff at the wall, and hope it sticks - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 02-08-2023
Most of the online scouting reports contradict themselves. And some of the rankings between sites vary significantly. And even between scouts for the same site. Just shows how hit or miss scouting is.
RE: These guys just throw stuff at the wall, and hope it sticks - SunsetBengal - 02-08-2023
(02-08-2023, 06:08 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Most of the online scouting reports contradict themselves. And some of the rankings between sites vary significantly. And even between scouts for the same site. Just shows how hit or miss scouting is.
I think that it is foolhardy for any one individual to scout every player, and spend enough time on them to have enough to give an informed evaluation of their strengths and weaknesses. Heck that's a tough order even for a team of evaluators who break down the talent pool by region or position group. As we all know, the only real way to evaluate a football player is to watch the film of him playing against his strongest competition. What I think happens is a lot of copy/paste of other people's opinions until enough are parroting the same stuff to form a "consensus opinion".
RE: These guys just throw stuff at the wall, and hope it sticks - ochocincos - 02-09-2023
(02-08-2023, 02:16 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I know who he is, and would love to see him selected by the Bengals. My nitpick is with Zierlein building him up, and then contradicting his own opinion by saying that "his motor may not be there".
How is it contradictory to say someone is explosive but they lack a motor?
Having a motor means you go hard every play, it doesn't mean you're explosive.
You can have a motor but not be explosive, and vice versa.
RE: These guys just throw stuff at the wall, and hope it sticks - SunsetBengal - 02-09-2023
(02-09-2023, 02:58 PM)ochocincos Wrote: How is it contradictory to say someone is explosive but they lack a motor?
Having a motor means you go hard every play, it doesn't mean you're explosive.
You can have a motor but not be explosive, and vice versa.
Is that like saying that the guy is really powerful, but he gets gassed out really quickly??
RE: These guys just throw stuff at the wall, and hope it sticks - 3wt - 02-09-2023
(02-08-2023, 12:02 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: This guy annoints the Pitt DT as the second coming of John Randle, then goes on to contradict his own words by calling him explosive, and then recanting about his "motor not being there"...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bengals-land-a-guy-compared-to-john-randle-in-new-mock-draft/ar-AA17dEGA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6e791c6312fb4fd8956412cd1ff80a9e
Imagine getting paid to do that stuff. If I ever get to retire I'm just going to go into the business and start blogging my own wall sticking stuff.
RE: These guys just throw stuff at the wall, and hope it sticks - ochocincos - 02-09-2023
(02-09-2023, 03:10 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Is that like saying that the guy is really powerful, but he gets gassed out really quickly??
RE: These guys just throw stuff at the wall, and hope it sticks - Hammerstripes - 02-09-2023
One major need on this team is an interior pass rusher. I'd be happy with that pick.
RE: These guys just throw stuff at the wall, and hope it sticks - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 02-10-2023
I think I found the disconnect.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/calijah-kancey/32004b41-4e04-6143-5a2e-df476a2bfc64
Zierlein didn’t write his motor wasn’t there. That’s what the guy at the msn website claimed Zierlein wrote, but is incorrect.