(02-18-2023, 07:11 PM)puddycat Wrote: Should the Bengals opt out?  Seems like a bit of a jerk move after an ACL/MCL injury, but..
As I understand it, the Bengals could opt out of the contract, would eat 2/3 of the $5M signing bonus, and the move would save just over $6m against the cap (there may be an injury settlement as well).  I was a big fan of the signing when it happened, but between the ACL/MCL, chronic back injuries, and being 30 next year, the upside is shrinking.  It would put us in a very needy RT position, but aren't we already there?

(02-18-2023, 07:11 PM)puddycat Wrote: Should the Bengals opt out?  Seems like a bit of a jerk move after an ACL/MCL injury, but..
As I understand it, the Bengals could opt out of the contract, would eat 2/3 of the $5M signing bonus, and the move would save just over $6m against the cap (there may be an injury settlement as well).  I was a big fan of the signing when it happened, but between the ACL/MCL, chronic back injuries, and being 30 next year, the upside is shrinking.  It would put us in a very needy RT position, but aren't we already there?

(02-18-2023, 07:32 PM)casear2727 Wrote: I dont think they can while he is not cleared to play, without a medical settlement. 

(02-18-2023, 08:03 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: We are already in a very needy position because Collins wont be ready to start next year.  I am personally doubtfull he will be ready at all next year.  He is a big dude and the way he will need to move and twist in blocking with all his weight on that knee, I just dont see him being ready next year.  We will need to rely on someone else for some amount of time next year and that leaves us right now counting on Adeniji.   I cant imagine too many people think that's a good idea.  Although he played better at T than G, he was still pretty bad.  They need someone else.

A post June 1st Collins cut saves the Bengals 7.7 million in cap space.  If Collins is cut before June 1 it saves just 6 million

I think the Bengals have to sign a proven quality free agent for RT this offseason.  I dont think you want to draft an unproven rookie and cross your finger he does OK at RT while also hoping Volson somehow shows major improvment and hoping Jonah Williams doesnt give up the league leading number of sacks again.  That is just too many question marks for the Oline once again.  Do fans want a 3rd straight season of knowing the team could have won the Super Bowl if onlly they had better talent on the Oline?  As of right now the Bengals have exactly two quality starters on the Oline, Cappa and Karras and that is only because they picked them up in free agency last year.  I think management needs to go out and get another 2 quality free agents.

(02-18-2023, 08:28 PM)Go Cards Wrote: What sort one monetary compensation does a medical settlement require from the Bengals ?

(02-18-2023, 07:11 PM)puddycat Wrote: Should the Bengals opt out?  Seems like a bit of a jerk move after an ACL/MCL injury, but..
As I understand it, the Bengals could opt out of the contract, would eat 2/3 of the $5M signing bonus, and the move would save just over $6m against the cap (there may be an injury settlement as well).  I was a big fan of the signing when it happened, but between the ACL/MCL, chronic back injuries, and being 30 next year, the upside is shrinking.  It would put us in a very needy RT position, but aren't we already there?

(02-18-2023, 10:20 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Is an injury settlement needed to part ways with Collins? Whatever the case, I just don't think you can trust his body / health enough at this point...and his overall play wasn't great before the knee injury, struggling with the back issues all year.

(02-18-2023, 10:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Really don't see the benefit of reaching an injury settlement with LC. I suppose we could save a couple bucks toward the end of the year IF LC settled for anything less than 17 games. Just let him heal and maybe he can come back fully healthy for a post season run.

Quote:Players can have a guarantee clause in their deals which assures them of receiving X amount of money when they are hurt. They will have this protection if they suffer “football-related injuries”. The CBA makes sure that the club is obliged to pay the players while they are doing rehab for their injury, and provide salary continuation for the year in which the injury was sustained.

Quote:Gilmore, 31, was eligible to come off the physically unable to perform list after Week 6, and the market for the 2019 NFL Defensive Player of the Year is expected to be robust. Multiple teams are expected to be interested, and Gilmore should be recovered from his quad injury in the coming weeks.

(02-18-2023, 11:36 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I could be wrong, but isn't an injury settlement for an injury that happened in that ongoing season?

Otherwise there'd be no point in contracts having "guarantees for injury".


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https://en.as.com/en/2021/11/05/nfl/1636111487_338373.html

The link also talks about Stephon Gilmore who was going to get released by the Patriots while still recovering from quad surgery he got in December of the previous season.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32347469/new-england-patriots-releasing-cb-stephon-gilmore-contract-talks-fail-source-says

(02-18-2023, 11:36 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I could be wrong, but isn't an injury settlement for an injury that happened in that ongoing season?

Otherwise there'd be no point in contracts having "guarantees for injury".


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EDIT:
https://en.as.com/en/2021/11/05/nfl/1636111487_338373.html

The link also talks about Stephon Gilmore who was going to get released by the Patriots while still recovering from quad surgery he got in December of the previous season.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32347469/new-england-patriots-releasing-cb-stephon-gilmore-contract-talks-fail-source-says

Quote:njury Settlement

Quote: – In the NFL, an injured player cannot be released.  Often a team and player will reach an Injury Settlement in lieu of putting, or keeping, the player on IR for the rest of the season.  Once an Injury Settlement is reached, the player is released.  This is done when the player has a chance to recover from injury and play again in that season.  However, if the player is still under contract for future seasons and the team wants to retain the player’s rights for the future, the team will not agree to an Injury Settlement and instead decide to continue to carry the player on Injured Reserve (IR).

(02-18-2023, 11:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It appears you may be correct:

https://russellstreetreport.com/salarycap/nfl-glossary/#:~:text=An%20Injury%20Settlement%20is%20usually,the%20player's%20scheduled%20base%20salary.

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This makes me rethink my stance. I was wondering why folks were saying injury settlement was the best move. It appears the 6th Wednesday after the Superbowl we can release him and only owe the guaranteed money. With this new information I think we should cut bait

(02-18-2023, 11:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It appears you may be correct:

https://russellstreetreport.com/salarycap/nfl-glossary/#:~:text=An%20Injury%20Settlement%20is%20usually,the%20player's%20scheduled%20base%20salary.

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This makes me rethink my stance. I was wondering why folks were saying injury settlement was the best move. It appears the 6th Wednesday after the Superbowl we can release him and only owe the guaranteed money. With this new information I think we should cut bait

(02-18-2023, 10:20 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Is an injury settlement needed to part ways with Collins? Whatever the case, I just don't think you can trust his body / health enough at this point...and his overall play wasn't great before the knee injury, struggling with the back issues all year.

(02-18-2023, 11:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It appears you may be correct:

https://russellstreetreport.com/salarycap/nfl-glossary/#:~:text=An%20Injury%20Settlement%20is%20usually,the%20player's%20scheduled%20base%20salary.

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This makes me rethink my stance. I was wondering why folks were saying injury settlement was the best move. It appears the 6th Wednesday after the Superbowl we can release him and only owe the guaranteed money. With this new information I think we should cut bait

(02-19-2023, 12:54 AM)Bengalholic Wrote: I could be totally wrong, but I thought a player was protected from being released until he was medically cleared or reached an injury settlement.

Quote: physically unable to perform (PUP), for injuries sustained during the previous season or during offseason training activities (a player who passes their physical at the beginning of training camp and practices is physically able to participate and is thus ineligible for the PUP list)

(02-19-2023, 01:16 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That's what the PUP is for...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injured_reserve_list

..I am starting to be more and more confident that cutting Collins doesn't need a settlement. He's not going to be on the IR, he doesn't have any injury guarantees in his contract, and it'll be a new league year.