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SI Article on Bengals Identity - SunsetBengal - 12-01-2023 With all of the talk about Bengals offensive identity, the "fire Zac" and so forth going on the past couple of weeks, here is an interesting article that breaks it all down and even offers some plausible suggestions to improve the offense going forward. https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/analyzing-cincinnati-bengals-scheme-identity-how-to-improve-it-moving-forward Quote:Throughout this week there has been quite a bit of talk about the Bengals “lacking an identity” under head coach Zac Taylor. After a close loss against the Pittsburgh Steelers with Jake Browning at quarterback, an emotional reaction occurred and the topics of the Bengals identity as a team, their scheme, play calling, and head coach all seemed to come into question. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Yogo - 12-01-2023 Wow. This was one of the best reads I've had on this forum ever. So we need a back up QB that likes spread mismatches to make a pass first run second offense work? I guess we are selling out to get the type of players that fit this non-traditional system in the NFL. Once the Joey B era is over, it's going to require a full facelift for our offense. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - SunsetBengal - 12-01-2023 (12-01-2023, 03:13 PM)Yogo Wrote: Wow. This was one of the best reads I've had on this forum ever. So we need a back up QB that likes spread mismatches to make a pass first run second offense work? I guess we are selling out to get the type of players that fit this non-traditional system in the NFL. Once the Joey B era is over, it's going to require a full facelift for our offense. Yes, it really helped me adjust my perspective as to what is currently going on with the Bengals. Even though the roster has the personnel it does by design, because it is for the offense that Burrow wants to run, it is still imperfect. They simply must have another reliable formation, personnel package, play set that they can go to and achieve a degree of success when defenses seem to have the regular diagnosed. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - psychdoctor - 12-01-2023 I like it RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - reuben.ahmed - 12-01-2023 they are being way more positive than how the team looks lol RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - SunsetBengal - 12-01-2023 (12-01-2023, 09:41 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: they are being way more positive than how the team looks lol Are they really? I read it as they were just giving a no-spin account of what the Bengals offensive identity actually is, and ways that they can improve upon it. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Luvnit2 - 12-02-2023 (12-01-2023, 02:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: With all of the talk about Bengals offensive identity, the "fire Zac" and so forth going on the past couple of weeks, here is an interesting article that breaks it all down and even offers some plausible suggestions to improve the offense going forward. Great article. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - jason - 12-02-2023 (12-01-2023, 10:02 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Are they really? I read it as they were just giving a no-spin account of what the Bengals offensive identity actually is, and ways that they can improve upon it. I think everyone knows the offense is built around Joe and his preferences. I think the problem a lot of people have is that Jake said he wanted to run the offense. Zac said we're gonna run the offense. Jake ain't Joe. It's the staff's job to acknowledge that and adjust. How do they do that? I dunno... It's not my job to know. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Bing Ghuls - 12-02-2023 (12-01-2023, 10:02 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Are they really? I read it as they were just giving a no-spin account of what the Bengals offensive identity actually is, and ways that they can improve upon it. This. Great article. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Bengalstripes9 - 12-02-2023 Great read. I’ve been critical of the bengals offense and the main reason is the browns and ravens have figured us out. The bengals need more balance and deception. The article mentions running more draws and that is a great point and something we were great at last year with Perine. That said, they need to develop their under center game more. I liked what they did against the 9ers and bills. They need to build on that because in the past when they went under center it was obvious it was a run and the defense knew what to expect. My major beef with the offense is that defenses know what to expect far too often. We are predictable and that’s why the browns are able to tee off on us defensively. They need to develop more balance, with more deceptive concepts and routes. Use motion, plays that look similar but attack different areas of the defense. As much as burrow doesn’t like going under center and the offense is pass heavy by design, they need more balance. The colts always passed the ball a lot with Peyton and it wasn’t until they really developed the run game and defense that they won a Super Bowl. Great defenses can shut down elite passing attacks and you simply have to find other ways to win. If your winning formula is always the same, teams know what to expect. If you have a diverse scheme and you can win running or passing, that’s when you are tough to beat. We need to be able to lean on the running game and win by running the ball one week, and passing the next. We need to be able to adjust our scheme to the team we are playing and attack their weaknesses better. To me the players make this scheme better and not the other way around. All I want and I think any bengals fans wants is for the scheme to make the players better. If that were the case we would be champs. You look at the patriots or chiefs recently, that scheme makes the players better. They’ve gotten it done with no name receivers. It’s my belief that the running game, oline, and defense are more important than who you have to throw the ball to and Tom Brady is the perfect example of that. For a few years now the bengals have had arguably the best wide receiver group in the nfl. Yet, they have not maximized their production. Burrow hasn’t won an mvp with all that talent. To me that screams that scheme is the issue. They need to continually tweak it and improve it and find ways to be more balanced and less predictable. When they do that the sky is the limit, not less than 24 points per game in the playoffs. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Synric - 12-02-2023 .... so what he is saying is rebuild the TE and RB rooms? Lol RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Wyche'sWarrior - 12-02-2023 (12-02-2023, 04:54 PM)Synric Wrote: .... so what he is saying is rebuild the TE and RB rooms? Lol Yes....and possibly a different philosophy on offensive line players. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Wyche'sWarrior - 12-02-2023 (12-01-2023, 02:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: With all of the talk about Bengals offensive identity, the "fire Zac" and so forth going on the past couple of weeks, here is an interesting article that breaks it all down and even offers some plausible suggestions to improve the offense going forward. Good luck getting haters to read it. I posted it twice in the trash Zac Taylor threads and hardly anyone read it. They don't want to acknowledge facts and truth. I keep saying it, but it's true. This is Andy Dalton 2.0. Every loss is his fault, every win is in spite of him. It's stupid. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Wyche'sWarrior - 12-02-2023 (12-02-2023, 12:50 PM)jason Wrote: I think everyone knows the offense is built around Joe and his preferences. I think the problem a lot of people have is that Jake said he wanted to run the offense. Zac said we're gonna run the offense. Jake ain't Joe. It's the staff's job to acknowledge that and adjust. How do they do that? I dunno... It's not my job to know. Eh, dude was confident he could do it. What do you tell him? Laugh in his face and say the ***k you can? Now you've seen him with no leash. Adjust accordingly. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Wyche'sWarrior - 12-02-2023 (12-02-2023, 02:19 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Great read. I’ve been critical of the bengals offense and the main reason is the browns and ravens have figured us out. They do. If they run cover 2, that loosens up the box and sets up the run. That's exactly what was happening in Baltimore until losing Burrow changed everything. If they stack the box and blitz, they carve them up with the pass. It's like no one can figure out why we start slow when Burrow is rusty every year. If you want more under center plays, trade Burrow. That's your option, according to the article and countless others that have pointed this out to you. They are absolutely scheming according to his strengths and what he likes. People say that's what they want.....they do it, and folks say they aren't, lmao. This article lays it out pretty clear....we are not going under center much with Joe Burrow at QB. Will people rip him a new one like they do the coaches for not doing it? I think we know the answer. I agree, and so does the article, we need some tweaks here and there. We also need better execution. We don't need to feed Mixon just because if it isn't working. This team would still be in contention if management had invested in an experienced ex starter as backup QB. They didn't, and maybe they shouldn't have due to contracts. This is what you're going to get....unless you spend the next 3-4 weeks installing a new system to cater to Jake Browning. By then it's too late anyway, so why bother? See if Browning can learn the system built for our 275 million dollar man well enough to maintain in the future. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Essex Johnson - 12-02-2023 (12-02-2023, 06:51 PM)Wyche Wrote: They do. If they run cover 2, that loosens up the box and sets up the run. That's exactly what was happening in Baltimore until losing Burrow changed everything. If they stack the box and blitz, they carve them up with the pass. It's like no one can figure out why we start slow when Burrow is rusty every year. If you want more under center plays, trade Burrow. That's your option, according to the article and countless others that have pointed this out to you. They are absolutely scheming according to his strengths and what he likes. People say that's what they want.....they do it, and folks say they aren't, lmao. This article lays it out pretty clear....we are not going under center much with Joe Burrow at QB. Will people rip him a new one like they do the coaches for not doing it? I think we know the answer. Also agree with article that Burrow rpo is half hearted since he rarely runs the ball , maybe just call a run and force hand off and play action, same call draws instead more RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Bengalstripes9 - 12-02-2023 (12-02-2023, 06:51 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: They do. If they run cover 2, that loosens up the box and sets up the run. That's exactly what was happening in Baltimore until losing Burrow changed everything. If they stack the box and blitz, they carve them up with the pass. It's like no one can figure out why we start slow when Burrow is rusty every year. If you want more under center plays, trade Burrow. That's your option, according to the article and countless others that have pointed this out to you. They are absolutely scheming according to his strengths and what he likes. People say that's what they want.....they do it, and folks say they aren't, lmao. This article lays it out pretty clear....we are not going under center much with Joe Burrow at QB. Will people rip him a new one like they do the coaches for not doing it? I think we know the answer. I'll give you the 9ers game and bills game where they were well prepared this year. Outside of that they haven’t been good enough. They were under center a lot in those games and played a more balanced game. Burrow can play under center. The offense is capable of playing balanced and changing up strategies based on opponents. I haven’t brought anything up that is outside the realm of possibility. All I’m saying is passing every play is risky and predictable. The bottom line is they need to be more consistent week to week, more balanced, more deceptive, and more dominant. They need to be winners. You can blame injuries but one can also blame poor management of players that increases the odds of injury in 2/4 years we saw burrow get hurt in a predictable manner. You have to make your own luck. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Bengalstripes9 - 12-02-2023 There was all this talk when Zac came in as coach of being ‘multiple’ and deceptive. On offense we are predictable. That needs to change. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - ezekiel23 - 12-02-2023 Maybe just not being quite so predictable on Offense might help? Joe Mixon running or receiving the ball on first and ten whenever the get inside the red zone 95% of the time. I liked it when Burrow went under center a lot in that Forty Niners game.It was fun to watch,and very effective. RE: SI Article on Bengals Identity - Wyche'sWarrior - 12-03-2023 (12-02-2023, 09:01 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Also agree with article that Burrow rpo is half hearted since he rarely runs the ball , maybe just call a run and force hand off and play action, same call draws instead more Agreed. |