(12-17-2023, 08:15 PM)Goalpost Wrote: So I am listing 10 DT's for this draft and I'm wondering how you rank them in comparison to mine.  

1. Jer'Zhan Newton
2.Tyleik Williams
3. Maason Smith
4. Leonard Taylor
5. Kris Jenkins
6. Brandon Dorlus
7. T'Vondre Sweat
8. Ruke Orhorhoro
9. Tyler Davis
10.Michael Hall

(12-17-2023, 08:15 PM)Goalpost Wrote: So I am listing 10 DT's for this draft and I'm wondering how you rank them in comparison to mine.

1. Jer'Zhan Newton
2.Tyleik Williams
3. Maason Smith
4. Leonard Taylor
5. Kris Jenkins
6. Brandon Dorlus
7. T'Vondre Sweat
8. Ruke Orhorhoro
9. Tyler Davis
10.Michael Hall

(12-18-2023, 12:37 PM)Synric Wrote: I don't know about ranking them yet but its a good year to need a Defensive Tackle.

Both Texas Defensive Tackles T'Vondre Sweat and Byron Murphy II are AP All-American (First and Third teams respectively). LSU's Maason Smith was the Number 1 ranked HS recruit in 2021 all kinds of talent but a ACL in 2022 ruined that year and slowed down this one. He's also playing alot of Gap Control Nose Tackle. Leonard Taylor is another 5 star guy he's more of a 3T and like Myles Murphy when he starts using his hands more pass rushing he is going to be a real problem. Bengals like tweeners and that describes Brandon Dorlus perfectly same mold as Cam Sample and Zac Carter. Clemson is starting to become a go to program for the Bengals Murphy's 2022 teammate Ruke Orhorhoro might end up high on their board. 

List of Nose Tackles:
T'Vondre Sweat
Maason Smith
McKinnley Jackson
Nazir Stackhouse
Fabien Lovett

Tyleik Williams (more of a penetrating A gap defender without the gap control)

(12-18-2023, 12:37 PM)Synric Wrote: I don't know about ranking them yet but its a good year to need a Defensive Tackle.

Both Texas Defensive Tackles T'Vondre Sweat and Byron Murphy II are AP All-American (First and Third teams respectively). LSU's Maason Smith was the Number 1 ranked HS recruit in 2021 all kinds of talent but a ACL in 2022 ruined that year and slowed down this one. He's also playing alot of Gap Control Nose Tackle. Leonard Taylor is another 5 star guy he's more of a 3T and like Myles Murphy when he starts using his hands more pass rushing he is going to be a real problem. Bengals like tweeners and that describes Brandon Dorlus perfectly same mold as Cam Sample and Zac Carter. Clemson is starting to become a go to program for the Bengals Murphy's 2022 teammate Ruke Orhorhoro might end up high on their board. 

List of Nose Tackles:
T'Vondre Sweat
Maason Smith
McKinnley Jackson
Nazir Stackhouse
Fabien Lovett

Tyleik Williams (more of a penetrating A gap defender without the gap control)

(12-20-2023, 11:09 AM)Whatever Wrote: Williams is going to need to go to a 1-gap scheme to have success at the NFL level.  Guy simply doesn't have the length to be a 2-gap NT.  He's probably going to plummet just because of lack of scheme fits.  

(12-22-2023, 11:31 PM)Jpoore Wrote: I think Williams could be a 3-tech pretty easily. Also he has the profile to play 2-gap NT. It’s what makes him so interesting to me. He can play either at a high level. But right now sweat is my top DT who we can realistically get,

(12-23-2023, 12:41 PM)Synric Wrote: If Williams really is a short 6'2 290lbs with no length then he will be a 3T. Probably only a 3T without much versatility with no length to play 4i or 5t, not big enough to play the nose, and poor core strength for gap control.

Tyliek Williams measurables could cause him to either be a day 2 guy or a day 3 guy. 

(12-23-2023, 04:46 PM)Jpoore Wrote: When tyleik Williams came to osu, he got 6.5 sacks at 360 lbs. I think the length concerns are exaggerated. He bats down passes all the time, and his length has never hosted up on film too much. He’s currently listed at 6”2 320. He has the anchor to play NT.

(12-23-2023, 05:22 PM)Synric Wrote: He is currently listed at 290lbs. I think he's closer to 305.

https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/football/roster/tyleik-williams/6273

His lack of length shows up when using gap control techniques which also highlights his lack of core strength. He played much better when his weight is in gap cancel up on his front foot. Williams inability to control the OL instead of shooting gaps was a big reason Ohio States run defense was closer to NCAA Average.

(12-22-2023, 11:31 PM)Jpoore Wrote: I think Williams could be a 3-tech pretty easily. Also he has the profile to play 2-gap NT. It’s what makes him so interesting to me. He can play either at a high level. But right now sweat is my top DT who we can realistically get,

(12-24-2023, 12:39 AM)Jpoore Wrote: Osu dline is taught to stack instead of shoot… I saw plenty of games where he 2 gapped extremely well.  Also weird but most scouting reports show him at 320-330lbs. As a freshman he was 360 don’t see any way he lost 70 lbs. he likely is a 3-tech/Larry o player at next level but can play NT I. Pinch. I would love to pair sweat and Williams.

(12-25-2023, 09:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I love the big guy outta Texas, but I like his teammate more in the 2nd than him in the first

(12-23-2023, 04:46 PM)Jpoore Wrote: When tyleik Williams came to osu, he got 6.5 sacks at 360 lbs. I think the length concerns are exaggerated. He bats down passes all the time, and his length has never hosted up on film too much. He’s currently listed at 6”2 320. He has the anchor to play NT.

(12-26-2023, 11:10 AM)Whatever Wrote: Williams had 5 sacks his freshman year, not 6.5.  4 of those came against powerhouses Tulsa, Akron, and Rutgers.  The 5th came when they emptied the bench late in 56-7 drubbing of Michigan St.

He came in massively overweight due to a bout with COVID and by his own admission couldn't stay on the field due to his conditioning.  He had already dropped over pounds going into the '22 season.