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Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - SunsetBengal - 03-07-2024 Says the Front Office has been bringing in good people and being smart about who walks. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-bengals-haven-t-just-hit-homers-in-free-agency-they-re-nearly-batting-a-thousand-in-letting-guys-walk/ar-BB1jrUlx?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=9ffaaa9ff46d4088b55c571957c6957d&ei=119 Quote:CINCINNATI – After years spent as passive observers in free agency, the Cincinnati Bengals are constructing an impressive register of impact acquisitions. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - ochocincos - 03-07-2024 What I took away - Bengals don't value paying safeties ![]() RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - SunsetBengal - 03-07-2024 (03-07-2024, 06:19 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What I took away - Bengals don't value paying safeties I'll bet that they have re-thought the entire negotiating process with Bates, many times in the past year. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Luvnit2 - 03-07-2024 (03-07-2024, 05:57 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Says the Front Office has been bringing in good people and being smart about who walks. Great read. Our FO is a lot better than some in this forum give them credit. I like CJ and Hurst, but Bengals developed Sample and Hudson, TE position was not the cause of our 2023 demise. Of course, it was JB getting hurt and the defense not having guys step to replace Bates and Bell. As fans we are emotional, we lose guys we love, and we throw tantrums at times. If we don't get OUR FA, we lash out at the FO. I know I do it, but reading this article reminds me the FO is a lot smarter than I am as far as developing our roster. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Nepa - 03-07-2024 A very interesting and informative read. So far, the Bengals haven't made the kind of disastrous decisions the Bills made with their free-agent signings. When the Bills swung and missed, they were left this year with having to jettison a lot of their good players. The Bengals have, as the article stated, generally made sound decisions. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-08-2024 (03-07-2024, 08:12 PM)Nepa Wrote: A very interesting and informative read. For sure and we are in so much of a better place to keep on putting it to the best teams in the Chiefs and such. The Bills had their chance against the Chiefs and choked as far as I am concerned in their last Playoff game. Could argue the same for the Ratbirds. As long as we keep making these sound decisions and stay relatively aggressive in FA we will be tough. But we have to draft well on top of it. The Chiefs have drafted very well, even better than us as of late. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Bengal Dude - 03-08-2024 (03-07-2024, 07:22 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'll bet that they have re-thought the entire negotiating process with Bates, many times in the past year. I don't think they've re-thought the Bates process. I think they'd re-do the Bell situation and hang onto him. Again, I don't know what they saw in Scott that made them think he was the perfect replacement. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Go Cards - 03-08-2024 Have been very pleased with the FO decisions made the last 3 years. They've missed on a few, Scott and Irv for instance but hit on way more players then they've whiffed on, way more. Sure Bates would have been nice to keep but hard decisions have to be made when you possess a franchise QB. Once Chase is signed the decisions will be even harder to navigate through, yet have faith they're on the right path and willl get it done without mortgaging the future at the same time. Now I do believe if Bengals let Higgins break the bank on a contract as well ? It will become super challenging to field a good defense or O-line with Burrow, Chase, and Higgins consuming over a hundred million of the cap and having to sign the other 49 players on what's leftover. Would have to hit on every drafted player then and watch many more good players walk in FA. Although have full confidence in what the FO has been doing since Katie took the reins. Believe that she will continue moving shrewdly forward and we will all remain proud to be Bengals fans for years to come. In fact I would like to thank the FO for breathing life back into the franchise by finally becoming a player in FA. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Brownshoe - 03-08-2024 (03-08-2024, 01:22 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: I don't think they've re-thought the Bates process. I think they'd re-do the Bell situation and hang onto him. They might have resigned Bates if they knew how much the cap was going up, but I agree. I feel like the FO knew they wanted to resign Burrow (Duh), Chase and Higgins and they couldn't keep someone like Bates even though he is a great safety. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - SunsetBengal - 03-08-2024 (03-08-2024, 01:22 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: I don't think they've re-thought the Bates process. I think they'd re-do the Bell situation and hang onto him. I'm going to guess that they assumed because of his age that he was still a player on the rise, and he fit the price point that they wanted to pay. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - XenoMorph - 03-08-2024 (03-07-2024, 06:19 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What I took away - Bengals don't value overpaying ANYONE Fixed If only they would let pollock walk RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - WeezyBengal - 03-08-2024 This sounds like a lot of copium for letting Bates walk. Hobson HAD to have written this article. My favorite line is this: "Even if Bates continues to play at an All-Pro level, the Bengals will be content with their decision not to pay a safety $16 million a year. Of the 17 highest-paid safeties in the league in 2023, only four were employed by playoff teams." I mean, trying to draw a parallel between paying one position (especially safety) and overall team success is pretty dumb. A lot of the highest paid safeties are just on bad teams. I also love this line: "Of the 13 former Bengals who left to sign one-year contracts elsewhere, nine never finished that season, with several failing to even make the 53-man roster. Some of the names included on that list are Kevin Minter, Jake Fisher, Shawn Williams, Alex Erickson, John Ross, Auden Tate, and Darius Phillips. And of the four who played their new one-year deals to fruition, none left the Bengals bathed in regret for letting them leave — A.J. Green (Arizona), Mackensie Alexander (Minnesota), Cedric Ogbuehi (Jacksonville), and Jeremy Hill (New England)." I mean these guys suck. I love how we are flipping it around from "Bengals drafted terrible players" to "Bengals were so smart not to re-sign said bad players". Sorry, I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today - I just get tired of the Hobson rhetoric. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - WeezyBengal - 03-08-2024 (03-08-2024, 07:15 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: They might have resigned Bates if they knew how much the cap was going up, but I agree. I feel like the FO knew they wanted to resign Burrow (Duh), Chase and Higgins and they couldn't keep someone like Bates even though he is a great safety. The cap goes up every year. This shouldn't be a shock to anyone. It will go up next year, and the next year, and the next year. The cap is projected to be 100 million more in 2026 than it is today. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Stewy - 03-08-2024 (03-07-2024, 07:22 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'll bet that they have re-thought the entire negotiating process with Bates, many times in the past year. I doubt it. The article justifies their philosophies. And how quickly we forget, that Bates had a down year, whined about the money, ADMITTED that the contract affected his play, etc. The team is bigger than one player with a poor attitude. Also, I believe Lou will figure thing out. Did missing Bates hurt us last year? Absolutely! Do I wish we had signed to that big deal? Absolutely not. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Soonerpeace - 03-08-2024 (03-07-2024, 08:12 PM)Nepa Wrote: A very interesting and informative read. KC was lucky as their offensive tackles almost doomed them. We could have beat them. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Soonerpeace - 03-08-2024 (03-08-2024, 11:40 AM)Stewy Wrote: I doubt it. The article justifies their philosophies. And how quickly we forget, that Bates had a down year, whined about the money, ADMITTED that the contract affected his play, etc. The team is bigger than one player with a poor attitude. Also, I believe Lou will figure thing out. Do the Bengals sometimes lean too much to the conservative side? Yes. But like the Bills were mentioned and there are other examples of recklessness. The Broncos and Browns are others. They don’t get credit enough frankly for widespread success. The players love it here. They have no drama. The culture as good as anywhere. They’ve had little turnover in the roster and staff. They have the smallest scouting and front office staff. Yet they’ve done pretty good considering. I like the info about they actually formed a blue print to get much better.It sounds like they took advantage of the time they had at the end of the season. They usually don’t. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Stewy - 03-08-2024 (03-08-2024, 12:00 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Do the Bengals sometimes lean too much to the conservative side? Yes. But like the Bills were mentioned and there are other examples of recklessness. The Broncos and Browns are others. They don’t get credit enough frankly for widespread success. The players love it here. They have no drama. The culture as good as anywhere. They’ve had little turnover in the roster and staff. They have the smallest scouting and front office staff. Yet they’ve done pretty good considering. I like the info about they actually formed a blue print to get much better.It sounds like they took advantage of the time they had at the end of the season. They usually don’t. I just hope they recognize their failures on OL evaluation and do something to pivot. Generally they are doing an excellent job, but they seem to have a fundamental flaw about how they evaluate or USE OL. And it started well before Pollack. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Soonerpeace - 03-08-2024 (03-08-2024, 12:06 PM)Stewy Wrote: I just hope they recognize their failures on OL evaluation and do something to pivot. Generally they are doing an excellent job, but they seem to have a fundamental flaw about how they evaluate or USE OL. And it started well before Pollack. There’s a definite flaw there. JMHO Pollack is the main one. What do I know? Nothing. But with the small scouting staff all the coaches are much more involved in evaluating and judging. I just don’t think Pollack’s strength is scheming or developing or evaluating. Zac’s strength is the passing game. He needs a great schemer for the run game. Zac has been passing centric since his flag football games in the fourth grade. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Wyche'sWarrior - 03-08-2024 (03-08-2024, 12:06 PM)Stewy Wrote: I just hope they recognize their failures on OL evaluation and do something to pivot. Generally they are doing an excellent job, but they seem to have a fundamental flaw about how they evaluate or USE OL. And it started well before Pollack. It all started with that 2015 draft. It's been largely downhill ever since. RE: Interesting article on Bengals offseason moves - Wyche'sWarrior - 03-08-2024 (03-08-2024, 12:39 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: There’s a definite flaw there. JMHO Pollack is the main one. What do I know? Nothing. But with the small scouting staff all the coaches are much more involved in evaluating and judging. I just don’t think Pollack’s strength is scheming or developing or evaluating. Zac’s strength is the passing game. He needs a great schemer for the run game. Zac has been passing centric since his flag football games in the fourth grade. I'm not much of a Frank supporter these days, but Stewey's right. It's been a problem for close to a decade now. |