(04-25-2024, 11:18 AM)Whatever Wrote: 1.Olumuyiwa Fashanu -The #1 graded T in this class for a long while.  When the HC says someone is "high production , low maintenance", that's a guy you want on your football team.

2.Brock Bowers -Not an immediate need, but hard to pass on a guy who will be a perennial Pro Bowl target for Joe Burrow.

3.Brian Thomas Jr -Led the nation in TD's playing in a conference stacked with NFL prospects at CB.  9.97 RAS is 10th highest all time amongst WR's.

4.Tyler Guyton -Most will disagree with me, but despite the rawness, the upside is immense.  Showed a lot of improvement at the Senior Bowl.

5.Troy Fautanu -Has some technique issues, but the kid plays with an edge and tested extremely well.

6.Graham Barton-Solidifies the C position for hopefully the next decade.

7.Amarius Mims-High risk, but the potential reward is huge.

8.Chop Robinson-When your comp is a raw Micah Parsons, you're a beast.

9.Kingsley Suamataia-In a normal T class, you'd run your card up to the podium to take this kid at #18.

10.Jared Verse-Kid is going to be a very good pro for a long time.

(04-25-2024, 11:49 AM)Okeana Wrote: this is my top 10 with no positional value, just BPA and scheme fit

1. Brock Bowers
2. Quinyon Mitchell
3. Johnny Newton
4. Laiatu Latu
5. Troy Fautanu
6. Byron Murphy
7. Taliese Fuaga
8. JPJ
9. JC Latham
10.  Jared Verse

I want to be clear that the gap between most of these players isn't large and I have different reasons for my rankings.  I view Brock Bowers as the most decorated and best tight end ever in the draft.  I don't care about his position, call him receiver, running back, tight end.  

I have Quinyon Mitchell graded in the same tier as guys like Revis and Sauce.  

Johnny Newton I think has the potential to be an all-pro player in the NFL, I don't know why he's sliding on boards, but his tape puts him in the geno atkins tier

Latu is the most polished edge player I've seen since Bosa

Troy Fautanu will be an All pro guard in the NFL, I think he can play at a very high level at tackle as well, but put him at left guard and that guy is a star.

Byron Murphy is a complete DT similar to Suh, with extremely powerful legs and he has a large skeletal frame that translates well to building mass.  Rotate him at 3tech and shade 1 tech and just eat

Fuaga is strong and mean, I love his playstyle, but I think his ideal spot is right-guard

Jackson Powers Johnson is Travis Frederick, best center in the draft

JC Latham is a guy I'm warming too, but he still has a lot of technical flaws and I'm concerned with his feet.  I only put him on this list because I think he grip strength and lockdown strength is probably the best in the class.

Jared Verse is a guy I really like and I think maybe I should have him higher, I like that he comes from a stable family with a father whose active in his life and he had a structured upbringing in dayton ohio.  His playstyle is very similar to Trey Hendrickson which I love

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Edit, I realized after doing the list that I left Mims off, I think Mims is the highest upside tackle in the draft, its hard for me to know where exactly he goes on this list, so I will just highlight him here

(04-24-2024, 11:41 PM)depthchart Wrote: .


I counted 8 specific players as already being drafted for sure before Pick #18.

They are QB Caleb Williams, QB Jayden Daniels, QB Drake Maye, WR Marvin Harrison JR, WR Rome Odunze, WR Malik Nabors, OT Joe Alt, 
OLB Dallas Turner.

This leaves 10 players on a Big Board to get to Bengals pick #18    

My BIG BOARD Top 10 after eliminating the 8 above

 1. TE Brock Bowers
 2. OT JC Latham
 3. DT Byron Murphy II
 4. OT Taliese Fuaga
 5. Corner Quinyon Mitchell
 6. WR Brian Thomas Jr
 7. OT Amarius Mims
 8. Corner Terrion Arnold
 9. DE Laitau Latu
10. DE Jared Verse

*Mine is not pure BPA but a mixture of BPA and need & still subject to change even this close to the Draft*  

What would your Top 10 Big Board look like in this scenario ?

(04-25-2024, 03:00 PM)Nepa Wrote: 1. Olumuyiwa Fashanu  (Run up there if he is on the board. Hasn't given up a sack in two years. Quality individual and consensus All-American who returned for another year when would have been top ten last year.) Could the Bengals be considering moving up for him?
2. Brock Bowers
3. Byron Murphy II
4. JC Lathum
5. Brian Thomas Jr.
6. Taliese Fuaga
7. Quinyon Mitchell
8. Amarius Mims
9. Troy Fautanu
10. Chop Robinson

(04-25-2024, 03:06 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: With Fashanu and Alt I just don't see them being around long which is why I don't even mention them. They should be the first OL taken.

But that is a thought if the Lou and the FO are really high on Fashanu as they should be.

You have Chop Robinson over Jared Verse?

(04-25-2024, 03:30 PM)Nepa Wrote: I had them neck and neck and decided to go with Chop Robinson because he's two-years younger, insanely athletic, huge upside, insane burst, non-stop motor, and because I had underestimated Micah Parsons and was not about to make the same mistake with a PSU player. He was in the 97th percentile for edge defenders in terms of his 10-yard split. When he was on the field he was dominating. 

But, push comes to shove, if I were GM I'd probably pick Verse, just to save myself from the grief I would receive when the pick was made. Because Verse is ready now and Chop Robinson needs more seasoning. He is only 21, and Verse will soon be turning 24.

(04-25-2024, 01:15 PM)Whatever Wrote: Newton is sliding because of medicals.  He didn't participate in Illinois' pro day, instead hosting his own at a later date, and he still didn't test.  Actually, three of your Top 10 have medical flags (Latu and JPJ being the others).

I can't put Mitchell up there simply because of the low level of competition he faced in the MAC.  It makes him very tough to project.  

(04-25-2024, 11:18 AM)Whatever Wrote: 1.Olumuyiwa Fashanu -The #1 graded T in this class for a long while. When the HC says someone is "high production , low maintenance", that's a guy you want on your football team.

2.Brock Bowers -Not an immediate need, but hard to pass on a guy who will be a perennial Pro Bowl target for Joe Burrow.

3.Brian Thomas Jr -Led the nation in TD's playing in a conference stacked with NFL prospects at CB. 9.97 RAS is 10th highest all time amongst WR's.

4.Tyler Guyton -Most will disagree with me, but despite the rawness, the upside is immense. Showed a lot of improvement at the Senior Bowl.

5.Troy Fautanu -Has some technique issues, but the kid plays with an edge and tested extremely well.

6.Graham Barton-Solidifies the C position for hopefully the next decade.

7.Amarius Mims-High risk, but the potential reward is huge.

8.Chop Robinson-When your comp is a raw Micah Parsons, you're a beast.

9.Kingsley Suamataia-In a normal T class, you'd run your card up to the podium to take this kid at #18.

10.Jared Verse-Kid is going to be a very good pro for a long time.

(04-24-2024, 11:41 PM)depthchart Wrote: .


I counted 8 specific players as already being drafted for sure before Pick #18.

They are QB Caleb Williams, QB Jayden Daniels, QB Drake Maye, WR Marvin Harrison JR, WR Rome Odunze, WR Malik Nabors, OT Joe Alt, 
OLB Dallas Turner.

This leaves 10 players on a Big Board to get to Bengals pick #18    

My BIG BOARD Top 10 after eliminating the 8 above

 1. TE Brock Bowers
 2. OT JC Latham
 3. DT Byron Murphy II
 4. OT Taliese Fuaga
 5. Corner Quinyon Mitchell
 6. WR Brian Thomas Jr
 7. OT Amarius Mims
 8. Corner Terrion Arnold
 9. DE Laitau Latu
10. DE Jared Verse

*Mine is not pure BPA but a mixture of BPA and need & still subject to change even this close to the Draft*  

What would your Top 10 Big Board look like in this scenario ?

(04-25-2024, 03:54 PM)JoeyB2023 Wrote: Id have a top 8 and completely remove bowers and Brian Thomas.  If u think a protected burrow and jamar chase with a solid defense can’t win a ship ur high.  Why bowers or Thomas get mentioned just baffles me.  Make sure burrow is upright and watch what happens.  Stop with the “yea but just imagine if we had bowers”. No.  Stop it lol

(04-25-2024, 03:54 PM)JoeyB2023 Wrote: Id have a top 8 and completely remove bowers and Brian Thomas.  If u think a protected burrow and jamar chase with a solid defense can’t win a ship ur high.  Why bowers or Thomas get mentioned just baffles me.  Make sure burrow is upright and watch what happens.  Stop with the “yea but just imagine if we had bowers”. No.  Stop it lol

(04-25-2024, 05:17 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: 1. Latu
2. Latham
3. Fashanu
4. Fuanga
5. Barton
6. Verse
7. Murphy
8. Bowers
9. Newton
10. Mims

(04-25-2024, 05:25 PM)depthchart Wrote: Would Latu have been on Top of your list a few days ago prior to the Trey Hendrickson trade request ?