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If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - LebanonFan - 09-27-2024
Linebackers have been a position of strength… Why not see if ADG can rush the passer? He’s athletic and smart. NT would probably be an issue though
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - Bengalbug - 09-27-2024
(09-27-2024, 12:16 AM)LebanonFan Wrote: Linebackers have been a position of strength… Why not see if ADG can rush the passer? He’s athletic and smart. NT would probably be an issue though
Not even close to the right personal.
No nose tackle, like you mentioned
Trey would be way out of position as an OLB or 3-4 DE.
This isn’t an in season switch. This is typically a multi year project.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - SunsetBengal - 09-27-2024
Bengal defense had success with some limited use of a 5-2 front, but DJ Reader, Cam Sample and a healthy Sam Hubbard were huge reasons why that front worked.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - Frank Booth - 09-27-2024
bengals don’t have 3-4 personnel. They just suck
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - Whatever - 09-27-2024
(09-27-2024, 07:34 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Bengal defense had success with some limited use of a 5-2 front, but DJ Reader, Cam Sample and a healthy Sam Hubbard were huge reasons why that front worked.
I do like the 5-2, but it's very dependent on getting the right matchup with the offense's personnel package.
They could run a bit of 3-4 and 3-3-5 as a sub package once Jackson gets back. Ossai was a stand up LB in college, iirc. Maybe Jenkins and Rankins as the DE's and Murphy as the other OLB with his athleticism.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - Housh - 09-27-2024
You need a dominant NT and good rushing linebackers....are linebackers are all pass cover guys.
Good idea if we wouldve committed to it a few years ago.
I imagine 3-4 is a whole different ball game, gap wise and technically wise
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - SunsetBengal - 09-27-2024
(09-27-2024, 12:44 PM)Whatever Wrote: I do like the 5-2, but it's very dependent on getting the right matchup with the offense's personnel package.
They could run a bit of 3-4 and 3-3-5 as a sub package once Jackson gets back. Ossai was a stand up LB in college, iirc. Maybe Jenkins and Rankins as the DE's and Murphy as the other OLB with his athleticism.
Good point, getting injured players back into action will allow a lot more flexibility than this plain vanilla front they are forced into running currently.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 09-27-2024
Like the others said, we don't even have a true Nose Tackle to play in the 4-3/5-2 right now. Tufele is the closest we have to it
until McKinnley Jackson comes back and he is just a rookie. I do like ADG and think he could be decent as a pass rusher though.
Would be nice to see ADG on some blitzes now and then and yes our Linebackers have been good this season. Just is rough with
all the DT injuries. Been a rash to say the least.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - SunsetBengal - 09-27-2024
(09-27-2024, 01:21 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Like the others said, we don't even have a true Nose Tackle to play in the 4-3/5-2 right now. Tufele is the closest we have to it
until McKinnley Jackson comes back and he is just a rookie. I do like ADG and think he could be decent as a pass rusher though.
Would be nice to see ADG on some blitzes now and then and yes our Linebackers have been good this season. Just is rough with
all the DT injuries. Been a rash to say the least.
They could run a close enough version with BJ Hill at NT and flank him with Jenkins and Rankins, of course that would require Hill and Rankins to be healthy. They'll need that sort of look against the run heavy teams in AFCN to keep the Guards out of the LB faces.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - 007BengalsFan - 09-27-2024
We cant stop the run or get much pressure with 4 linemen. How could we stop anything with just 3. Didnt a bunch of people complain about Lou using 3 linemen against Mahomes on that last drive. You want that the whole game now?
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - Au165 - 09-27-2024
...that's not how this works.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - J24 - 09-27-2024
Our base package is a 3-4!
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - 125250 - 09-27-2024
(09-27-2024, 12:16 AM)LebanonFan Wrote: Linebackers have been a position of strength… Why not see if ADG can rush the passer? He’s athletic and smart. NT would probably be an issue though
Off topic, hope you’re in a safe area of the country. Beirut is getting hit hard.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - KillerGoose - 09-28-2024
(09-27-2024, 09:13 PM)J24 Wrote: Our base package is a 3-4!
Lou shows a 3-4 look, but you'll have a tough time arguing that their base defense is a 3-4. They run multiple fronts against heavier packages. We've seen a 5-2, 3-4 and 4-3. Their most common personnel package is obviously nickel, and they run four down linemen there. The pass rushers are listed as defensive ends and not linebackers which matters for the franchise tag.
Lou prefers four down linemen, but they run multiple fronts.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - GodFather - 09-28-2024
One new thing I would love to see the defense try this year that I believe would really make a difference is tackling.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - Synric - 09-28-2024
(09-28-2024, 01:11 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: Lou shows a 3-4 look, but you'll have a tough time arguing that their base defense is a 3-4. They run multiple fronts against heavier packages. We've seen a 5-2, 3-4 and 4-3. Their most common personnel package is obviously nickel, and they run four down linemen there. The pass rushers are listed as defensive ends and not linebackers which matters for the franchise tag.
Lou prefers four down linemen, but they run multiple fronts.
Nitpicking but the Ends mostly stand up. Alot more LEO and OLB snaps from the ends. Against heavy packages Lou loves rhe SAM/Leo 5man front with Pratt as the SAM close to the line over rhe TEY and Hubbard playing LEO on the opposite side.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - J24 - 09-28-2024
(09-28-2024, 01:11 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: Lou shows a 3-4 look, but you'll have a tough time arguing that their base defense is a 3-4. They run multiple fronts against heavier packages. We've seen a 5-2, 3-4 and 4-3. Their most common personnel package is obviously nickel, and they run four down linemen there. The pass rushers are listed as defensive ends and not linebackers which matters for the franchise tag.
Lou prefers four down linemen, but they run multiple fronts.
A 3-4 and a 5-2 are virtually the same thing.(I'm sure there are some differences)
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - Dr.Z - 09-28-2024
(09-27-2024, 09:29 PM)125250 Wrote: Off topic, hope you’re in a safe area of the country. Beirut is getting hit hard.
I assumed the username referred to Lebanon Ohio lol.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - Destro - 09-28-2024
Maybe they could try tackling. Might be helpful.
RE: If weakness is DL, maybe try a 3-4? - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 09-28-2024
(09-27-2024, 01:49 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: They could run a close enough version with BJ Hill at NT and flank him with Jenkins and Rankins, of course that would require Hill and Rankins to be healthy. They'll need that sort of look against the run heavy teams in AFCN to keep the Guards out of the LB faces.
Agree, we could do that and it would be close while having Trey in there to rush the passer if we can get them to 3rd and longs.
It would be nice to see Hill and Rankins live up to the amount of dough they are making. Rankins was a good run stopper with the Jets
a couple years back. Don't know what happened, guess he just wants to rush the passer which is fine once the run is slowed down.
Kris Jenkins flashes good things and is clearly the most talented of the bunch besides Rankins as a pass rusher, hopefully that club comes
off soon and we get McKinnley back.