(11-08-2024, 05:19 PM)Big Boss Wrote: So I'm an idiot when it comes to cap manipulation, etc.

If we assume for just one second that the front office is actually willing to try things differently this off-season, what is the path forward when you have to take into account Burrow's big fat contract and Chase's impending big fat contract?  Because right now I see a defense in dire straits and an offensive line that still can't figure itself out.

• Cut Cappa and save 8 Million of his 10 Million Cap hit next year
• Cut Karras and save 4.8 Million of his 6 Million Cap hit next year
• Cut Moss and save 3.5 Million of his 5 Million Cap hit next year
  

• Cut Sam Hubbard and save 9.6 Million on his 11 Million Cap hit next year
• Cut Sheldon Rankings and save 9.5 Million on his 11 Million cap hit next year
• Cut Geno Stone and save 6.5 Million on his 8 Million Cap hit next year.
  

(11-08-2024, 05:17 PM)Joelist Wrote: I'm starting to think it's rebuild time. Starting with getting rid of Lou and Pitcher and only allowing Zac to stay if he gives up ANY control over play calling.

Find a DC known for fundamentals (like Tackling) and a rational scheme. We have some pieces so let's put what we have in a realistic scheme, get back to fundamentals and build off these foundations. We can keep Trey, Jenkins, McKinnley, Battle, Wilson, Pratt and Murphy. The rest needs to be rebuilt.

In the same vein find an OC with a rational scheme and play calling tendencies. Settle on a line scheme and then build to it. OBJr and Mims can function in either a zone or a power scheme. Get us under center either way and run more often to create a culture of winning up front.

Sign Chase, either trade or let Tee go. Then comes the biggest part - sit with Burrow and Chase and no matter what it takes SELL THEM on the rebuild. If it takes Tobin going away do it. If it takes expanding scouting do it. And when we draft we draft players to fit our schemes - which hopefully have been set and are more rational.

This is of course a fantasy because it requires ownership to get their heads out of their navels.

(11-08-2024, 05:38 PM)Au165 Wrote: We are actually in a good place to clean house.

On the offensive side you could....

• Cut Cappa and save 8 Million of his 10 Million Cap hit next year
• Cut Karras and save 4.8 Million of his 6 Million Cap hit next year
• Cut Moss and save 3.5 Million of his 5 Million Cap hit next year
  

On the defensive side you could...

• Cut Sam Hubbard and save 9.6 Million on his 11 Million Cap hit next year
• Cut Sheldon Rankings and save 9.5 Million on his 11 Million cap hit next year
• Cut Geno Stone and save 6.5 Million on his 8 Million Cap hit next year.
  

This would add nearly 42 Million to the already 65 Million we are projected to have next season. We could enter the off season with 100 Million and while Chase is due a deal my guess is his cap number for 25 which is already 21.2 million would maybe only increase 4-6 million. Assuming we resign Trey expect his cap number to go up probably 6-8 million so we are now 10-12 Million off of the 100. 

You now have about 90 Million to fill roughly 20 roster spots. They will have 6 draft picks and we can assume the cap hit for those will be about 4 Million so let's say we got 86 Million to fill 14 spots. You can assume 6-8 of those will be veterans on smaller deals, probably something with a cap hit around 2-3 Million so let's call it about 15 Million for those. This leaves us with about 70 Million in cap to fill the last 6-8 slots.

I think with that money we could definitely find some IOL, CB, and DE upgrades.

(11-08-2024, 05:46 PM)Bengalbro Wrote: I wouldnt cut Moss or Hubbard or karras. But the other 3 I would

And I would try to extend Hill-Hilton and Gesicki asap

(11-08-2024, 05:38 PM)Au165 Wrote: We are actually in a good place to clean house.

On the offensive side you could....

• Cut Cappa and save 8 Million of his 10 Million Cap hit next year
• Cut Karras and save 4.8 Million of his 6 Million Cap hit next year
• Cut Moss and save 3.5 Million of his 5 Million Cap hit next year
  

On the defensive side you could...

• Cut Sam Hubbard and save 9.6 Million on his 11 Million Cap hit next year
• Cut Sheldon Rankings and save 9.5 Million on his 11 Million cap hit next year
• Cut Geno Stone and save 6.5 Million on his 8 Million Cap hit next year.
  

This would add nearly 42 Million to the already 65 Million we are projected to have next season. We could enter the off season with 100 Million and while Chase is due a deal my guess is his cap number for 25 which is already 21.2 million would maybe only increase 4-6 million. Assuming we resign Trey expect his cap number to go up probably 6-8 million so we are now 10-12 Million off of the 100. 

You now have about 90 Million to fill roughly 20 roster spots. They will have 6 draft picks and we can assume the cap hit for those will be about 4 Million so let's say we got 86 Million to fill 14 spots. You can assume 6-8 of those will be veterans on smaller deals, probably something with a cap hit around 2-3 Million so let's call it about 15 Million for those. This leaves us with about 70 Million in cap to fill the last 6-8 slots.

I think with that money we could definitely find some IOL, CB, and DE upgrades.

(11-08-2024, 05:48 PM)Au165 Wrote: Hubbard is paid WAY above market value for an end that provides no pass rushing value. Karras is just old is the problem, it's a case where you want to get in front of it before he falls way off. Moss...not good and frankly we can find someone in the draft to be the same guy.

(11-08-2024, 05:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I can get behind replacing the DC, but the O is humming

(11-08-2024, 05:46 PM)Bengalbro Wrote: I wouldnt cut Moss or Hubbard or karras. But the other 3 I would

And I would try to extend Hill-Hilton and Gesicki asap

(11-08-2024, 05:50 PM)Bengalbro Wrote: Karras is solid on and off the field
Moss is fine as a secondary back and pass protector. 
Hubbard's play has increased but I could see the argument here. 

• Karras is okay, the bigger thing is we need to get better and younger on the inside. 
• Moss is overpaid for what he is. He is a 3.3 yard per carry guy (very bad) who isn't that great at pass protection. He is the 20th highest paid HB in the league and his cap hit next year will move him closer to top 15.
  

(11-08-2024, 05:52 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Moss and Hubbard give you nothing at this point. 

I'd look into possibly restructering Hubbard, but there is no way on earth he should be getting more than 15% of the snaps. 

(11-08-2024, 05:54 PM)Au165 Wrote:

• Karras is okay, the bigger thing is we need to get better and younger on the inside. 
• Moss is overpaid for what he is. He is a 3.3 yard per carry guy (very bad) who isn't that great at pass protection. He is the 20th highest paid HB in the league and his cap hit next year will move him closer to top 15.
  

(11-08-2024, 05:38 PM)Au165 Wrote: We are actually in a good place to clean house.

On the offensive side you could....

• Cut Cappa and save 8 Million of his 10 Million Cap hit next year
• Cut Karras and save 4.8 Million of his 6 Million Cap hit next year
• Cut Moss and save 3.5 Million of his 5 Million Cap hit next year
  

On the defensive side you could...

• Cut Sam Hubbard and save 9.6 Million on his 11 Million Cap hit next year
• Cut Sheldon Rankings and save 9.5 Million on his 11 Million cap hit next year
• Cut Geno Stone and save 6.5 Million on his 8 Million Cap hit next year.
  

This would add nearly 42 Million to the already 65 Million we are projected to have next season. We could enter the off season with 100 Million and while Chase is due a deal my guess is his cap number for 25 which is already 21.2 million would maybe only increase 4-6 million. Assuming we resign Trey expect his cap number to go up probably 6-8 million so we are now 10-12 Million off of the 100. 

You now have about 90 Million to fill roughly 20 roster spots. They will have 6 draft picks and we can assume the cap hit for those will be about 4 Million so let's say we got 86 Million to fill 14 spots. You can assume 6-8 of those will be veterans on smaller deals, probably something with a cap hit around 2-3 Million so let's call it about 15 Million for those. This leaves us with about 70 Million in cap to fill the last 6-8 slots.

I think with that money we could definitely find some IOL, CB, and DE upgrades.