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Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - Housh - 12-10-2024

21 snaps (35%) of the snaps for Hubbard and 8 snaps(13%) for Bell.

Not gonna say if we did this earlier we’d have more wins cause that’s not fair but the fact it took this long is crazy.




Side note Myles Murphy got 2nd most snaps of a DE after Trey H

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - SunsetBengal - 12-10-2024

Damn this team is slow to react, several of us were calling for these moves a month or more ago.

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - WeezyBengal - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 11:06 AM)Housh Wrote: 21 snaps (35%) of the snaps for Hubbard and 8 snaps(13%) for Bell.

Not gonna say if we did this earlier we’d have more wins cause that’s not fair but the fact it took this long is crazy.




Side note Myles Murphy got 2nd most snaps of a DE after Trey H

I just can't give up on Murphy yet. He looks so damn quick off the ball. He just needs polish and to get a better feel for the game. Hopefully more reps do that. The physical skillset is there. 

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - Synric - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 11:06 AM)Housh Wrote: 21 snaps (35%) of the snaps for Hubbard and 8 snaps(13%) for Bell.

Not gonna say if we did this earlier we’d have more wins cause that’s not fair but the fact it took this long is crazy.




Side note Myles Murphy got 2nd most snaps of a DE afteterrible.



And he was terrible.


Another note: Joseph Ossai played a good bit of 3t & 4t.

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - WeezyBengal - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 11:28 AM)Synric Wrote: And he was terrible.


Another note: Joseph Ossai played a good bit of 3t & 4t.

I'd bring back Ossai on a cheap deal. He's still young, has some upside, and is at least some good depth. 

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - SunsetBengal - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 11:28 AM)Synric Wrote: And he was terrible.


Another note: Joseph Ossai played a good bit of 3t & 4t.

Joseph Ossai is quietly have a pretty good developmental year. In 44% of defensive snaps, he's got 31 tackles, 11 QB hits, 3 sacks and 3 TFL. It's nice to see him rebounding after looking like he'd lost his confidence last year. He should be able to challenge for even more time on the field next year, his contract year.

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - coachmcneil71 - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 11:28 AM)Synric Wrote: And he was terrible.


Another note: Joseph Ossai played a good bit of 3t & 4t.

Winner!

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - ochocincos - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 11:28 AM)Synric Wrote: And he was terrible.


Another note: Joseph Ossai played a good bit of 3t & 4t.

I kinda felt that way too about him.

When I did try to pay attention to him on some snaps, here were my observations:
- He's not trying to bend the corner like we see Hendrickson do. It feels most often some kind of bull rush or trying to break back inside.
- At least a couple times when actually beating his man, he seemed to hesitate or was just slow getting to the QB. Specifically, there was one of Hendrickson's sacks that either Murphy and Hendrickson beat their guys at the same time or Murphy actually beat his first but Hendrickson got to the QB faster still.

Is it more in his head at this point? Is he overthinking his strategy and worrying too much if a guy runs by him?

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - lone bengal - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 11:27 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I just can't give up on Murphy yet. He looks so damn quick off the ball. He just needs polish and to get a better feel for the game. Hopefully more reps do that. The physical skillset is there. 

I tried to watch Murphy closely during the game he made a tackle near the goal line and believe he had another tackle at some point. Far as pash rushing goes I noticed he dosen't get set in a 3 point stance he kinda stands upright then rushes not sure if that's new or something he's always done ? Far as rushing he seems to have a good bull rush but dosen't seem to have many moves to finish. Also on the Cooks touchdown Murphy dropped into coverage away from the play still hate the Lou drops D-lineman into coverage.  

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - THE PISTONS - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 11:38 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Joseph Ossai is quietly have a pretty good developmental year. In 44% of defensive snaps, he's got 31 tackles, 11 QB hits, 3 sacks and 3 TFL. It's nice to see him rebounding after looking like he'd lost his confidence last year. He should be able to challenge for even more time on the field next year, his contract year.

I thought this was his contract year? He's a UFA after this season.

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - SunsetBengal - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 01:05 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I thought this was his contract year? He's a UFA after this season.

I know why I thought that this was only his 3rd season, didn't he miss his rookie year due to injury?

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - Synric - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 11:28 AM)Synric Wrote: And he was terrible.


Another note: Joseph Ossai played a good bit of 3t & 4t.


This was worse than I originally thought. He played tall with no leverage and bad hand placement from what I noticed from the broadcast video.

 

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - SunsetBengal - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 01:22 PM)Synric Wrote: This was worse than I originally thought. He played tall with no leverage and bad hand placement from what I noticed from the broadcast video.

 

I've been harping about him all season. Even when he defeats the block of the Tackle, he pursues like he's knee deep in molasses.

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - Essex Johnson - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 11:38 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Joseph Ossai is quietly have a pretty good developmental year. In 44% of defensive snaps, he's got 31 tackles, 11 QB hits, 3 sacks and 3 TFL. It's nice to see him rebounding after looking like he'd lost his confidence last year. He should be able to challenge for even more time on the field next year, his contract year.

As backup fine but he has not shown ability to really start, hopefully we go FA or 1st round pick probably top 15 pick a DE

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - sandwedge - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 11:28 AM)Synric Wrote: And he was terrible.


Another note: Joseph Ossai played a good bit of 3t & 4t.

Yes he was! For all the burst off the snap, he doesn't do anything with it. He isn't any good at containment either.

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - Frank Booth - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 01:22 PM)Synric Wrote: This was worse than I originally thought. He played tall with no leverage and bad hand placement from what I noticed from the broadcast video.

 

these are the types of draft whiffs that set a unit and even team back for a couple years

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - SunsetBengal - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 01:26 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: As backup fine but he has not shown ability to really start, hopefully we go FA or 1st round pick probably top 15 pick a DE

Oh, I agree that they still need DL help, as it's becoming more and more apparent that Murphy is not the answer and Hubbard could be washed. I was just giving Ossai some props where it was due. He is turning into a fine situation/role player.

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - sandwedge - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 01:29 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: these are the types of draft whiffs that set a unit and even team back for a couple years

Yup

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - Synric - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 01:29 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Oh, I agree that they still need DL help, as it's becoming more and more apparent that Murphy is not the answer and Hubbard could be washed. I was just giving Ossai some props where it was due. He is turning into a fine situation/role player.


Ossai's sack as a 4t doesn't move the needle for me. They should look outside this DL roster even for depth. 

RE: Bell and Hubbard were officially benched against Dallas - ochocincos - 12-10-2024

(12-10-2024, 01:57 PM)Synric Wrote: Ossai's sack as a 4t doesn't move the needle for me. They should look outside this DL roster even for depth. 

I'm willing to give Murphy 1 more year, but he has to really step up next season.
Gotta get 5+ sacks after seeing Hubbard's decline.


Ossai, to me, is too little too late unless he maybe gets a few more to finish out the year.
It's hard to sell on 43 games with just 7.5 sacks, 3 of which came just these past 3 games. 4.5 sacks across his first 40 games.
I wouldn't offer him more than $3 mill/year though.

Cam Sample also is set to hit FA, and he's done little as well.

I'd keep Ossai over Sample if having to pick one, but I'm also ok letting both walk, drafting 1 dude early (needs to be proven skilled pass rusher though, no project/raw pass rusher), and maybe getting a 2nd dude either in the draft or FA too.