(03-29-2025, 05:07 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Drafting guys to play the same position they were playing does make a lot of sense. I wonder if anybody has ever looked at the stats on that? As far as success rate of draft picks playing the exact same spot they did their final year in college vs moving them.

Booker is a blue chip player from a big time program at a position of need. When the stars align. This would feel like the Jonah pick to me minus the size concern.
Sawyer in 2 feels like a solid move with a low ceiling. For some reason Sawyer seems maxed out to me.

Haven't paid any attention to Ty Robinson until now. Holy shit I was slipping.


Scary scouting report quote on Colby "His pass protection is troubling, with areas of concern that might not be correctable." https://www.nfl.com/prospects/connor-colby/3200434f-4c06-9214-e68b-4d4ee96d1732

(03-30-2025, 03:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Many would love to have Walter Nolan at #17 and Ty had as good of a year. Nolan has a 1st round grade and Ty does not because Walter had a headstart. 

Nolen was THE #1 prospect in the Nation when he came out of High School, but Robinson was not. Of course, Nolen being 2-yers younger is a plus for him. 

There's talk of teams moving Nolen down their boards or removing him completely. He do NO testing or drills at the combine and all he did at his Pro day was bench (1 fewer rep than Robinson)

(03-31-2025, 11:51 AM)Whatever Wrote: So, the RAS scores for OL the Bengals have taken in the 1st this century...

Levi Jones 9.21
Andre Smith 4.03
Cedric Ogbuehi N/A(didn't test)
Kevin Zeitler 7.66
Jonah Williams 5.49
Billy Price N/A(didn't test)
Amarius Mims 9.53

Other notable Bengals drafted this century...

Andrew Whitworth 9.11
Clint Bolling 8.14
Eric Steinbach 10.0

Tyler Booker 3.93

(03-31-2025, 11:51 AM)Whatever Wrote: So, the RAS scores for OL the Bengals have taken in the 1st this century...

Levi Jones 9.21
Andre Smith 4.03
Cedric Ogbuehi N/A(didn't test)
Kevin Zeitler 7.66
Jonah Williams 5.49
Billy Price N/A(didn't test)
Amarius Mims 9.53

Other notable Bengals drafted this century...

Andrew Whitworth 9.11
Clint Bolling 8.14
Eric Steinbach 10.0

Tyler Booker 3.93

(03-31-2025, 05:58 PM)3wt Wrote: Larry Allen's was 3.83

And Eric Steinbach was the guy that gave up the sack to Kim Von Oelhoffen that destroyed Carson Palmer's knee.

(03-31-2025, 06:22 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Maybe I just never fully understood how OL blocking works, but I never saw a huge deal in IOL athleticism unless having to block laterally or at the 2nd level.
If Bengals need/want their Guards to do a lot of that, it may make a difference, but if they're primarily staying home to pass block or driving north-south, guys like Booker would be perfectly fine.

(03-31-2025, 05:58 PM)3wt Wrote: Larry Allen's was 3.83

And Eric Steinbach was the guy that gave up the sack to Kim Von Oelhoffen that destroyed Carson Palmer's knee.

(03-31-2025, 06:22 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Maybe I just never fully understood how OL blocking works, but I never saw a huge deal in IOL athleticism unless having to block laterally or at the 2nd level.
If Bengals need/want their Guards to do a lot of that, it may make a difference, but if they're primarily staying home to pass block or driving north-south, guys like Booker would be perfectly fine.

(Yesterday, 06:18 AM)Synric Wrote: I'm a massive Tyler Booker fan even calling him the best OL in the draft and although I think Membou has the most upside and has a chance to steal that title Booker is going to be better year one. That said I would rather my first round guard to have a little more run scheme versatility even if they don't really need it.

(Yesterday, 11:11 AM)Whatever Wrote: Well, a lot of the modern run game is predicted on the OL having to make reach blocks and,/or climbing to the second level and getting blocks there.

Like, Larry Allen's name has been invoked in this thread, but the game was a lot different then.  The FB was still considered a starter and much of the responsibility for getting a second level block fell on them instead of the OL.  RB was also a much more valuable position because a lot of the responsibility fell on them to win one on one's, break tackles, and get yards after contact.  If a RB went Top 5 in those days, you didn't bat an eye.  Teams would trade up for them.  

Denver was really the first team I remember going heavily to zone blocking with athletic OL that could get out on the second level consistently.  This also devalued the RB because they had to win fewer one on one's, and they usually relied on later draft picks and rode the hot hand, which gave rise to the philosophy that "you can always find RB's later".  Unfortunately, folks try to marry unathletic OL with that philosophy and it just doesn't work.

The screen game is also a big part of the game that suffers when you have an unathletic OL.  It asks your linemen to get enough of a piece of the DL that they can't be immediately in the QB's lap, then release and get second level blocks down field.  When they can't do that, the screen gets blown up.  And we've been a bad screen team for awhile.  

(Yesterday, 06:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I get that Booker is not a sexy pick and that there are tons more High-Floor picks out there, but we know this dude can protect his quarterback and is durable.

Some folks want a more versatile player (Jackson, NDSU kid). We don't know that Booker cannot play Tackle, we just know he hasn't been asked.

Dude definitely has the build to play OT at 6'5" and 34.5" Arms, Jackson has 33.5" arms and the NDSU kid has 32" Arms