(12-26-2015, 04:29 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Has anyone else watched this docu-series on Netflix?

(12-26-2015, 07:18 PM)jason Wrote: I started to the other night, then I dozed off.  My brother in law said it's pretty cool the following day.  Do you like it?

(12-26-2015, 04:29 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Has anyone else watched this docu-series on Netflix?





Me and my wife just finished this series tonight and oh my God, what a terrible act of "justice" that was. What does everyone else think of the verdict?

(12-29-2015, 11:57 AM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: I heard about this guy in a Cracked article a couple of years ago, so when I saw the documentary about it, I thought I'd give it a whirl.  At the time, I didn't realize that it was 10 full length episodes long, but I got hooked.  I'm currently on the 6th episode, and since I already know the verdict, I can tell that I'm gonna be pissed in the end.

It's a documentary though...they're built to only tell half of the story.  I mean, there are a shit ton of mo-mos in this country that believe that the United States carried out the WTC attacks all because of a flimsy evidenced and easily disproven documentary.  I'd like to hear the rest of the story before I decide whether or not this was a "terrible act of justice".

(12-26-2015, 04:29 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Has anyone else watched this docu-series on Netflix?

(01-03-2016, 01:25 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I don't think him being guilty and the cops manipulating evidence to ensure he was convicted are mutually exclusive

(01-03-2016, 01:25 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I've heard a little about this Via my wife. It sucks about the false rape conviction, but
I only feel bad for his nephew. I read up on some stuff, and the directors seem to down play some really shitty things about him. Easter card to his kids saying he hates their mom and will "git her" when he's out, acting like the cat thing was an accident, ignoring that he requested the girl using his sisters name and called her twice before the murder using *67 and once after without using it. On the last part, the prosecution would suggest he wanted her to answer the first two times and knew he didn't need to hide his number the 3rd time because she was dead.

I don't think him being guilty and the cops manipulating evidence to ensure he was convicted are mutually exclusive

(01-03-2016, 01:53 PM)Donnyho Wrote: This.

Here's an article 'Evidence 'Making a Murderer' Didn't Present in Steven Avery's Murder Case (Updated)'.  After watching all 10 episodes and reading some stuff online, I've come to the conclusion that Avery probably did it. But I don't know if the evidence presented was enough to convict him.  And the cops probably did plant evidence because they thought he was guilty and wanted to make sure he was found as such.

Quote:— The documentary said that part of Avery’s criminal past included animal cruelty. To my recollection, it didn’t specify exactly what that animal cruelty was. I know that for some of our readers, knowing is enough to want to see Avery get the death sentence regardless of whether he murdered Halbach: He doused a cat in oil and threw it on a bonfire (this is not relevant to the murder trial, but it certainly diminishes the sympathy some of us felt for him).

Quote:— Past criminal activity also included threatening a female relative at gunpoint.

Quote:— In the months leading up to Halbach’s disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos.

Quote:— Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn’t want to go out to Avery’s trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach.

Quote:— On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity.

Quote:
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"Phone records show three calls from Avery to Teresa's cell phone on Oct. 31," says Kratz. "One at 2:24 [p.m.], and one at 2:35 – both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn't know it him...both placed before she arrives.


"Then one last call at 4:35 p.m., without the *67 feature. Avery first believes he can simply say she never showed up…so tries to establish the alibi call after she's already been there, hence the 4:35 call. She will never answer of course, so he doesn't need the *67 feature for that last call."

Quote:— The bullet with Halbach’s DNA on it came from Avery’s gun, which always hung above his bed.

Quote:— Avery had purchased handcuffs and leg irons like the ones Dassey described holding Halbach only three weeks before (Avery said he’s purchased them for use with his girlfriend, Jodi, with whom he’d had a tumultuous relationship — at one point, he was ordered by police to stay away from her for three days).

Quote:— Here’s the piece of evidence that was presented at trial but not in the series that I find most convincing: In Dassey’s illegally obtained statement, Dassey stated that he helped Avery moved the RAV4 into the junkyard and that Avery had lifted the hood and removed the battery cable. Even if you believe that the blood in Halbach’s car was planted by the cops (as I do), there was also non-blood DNA evidence on the hood latch. I don’t believe the police would plant — or know to plant — that evidence.

Quote:Cop: OK, what else did he do, he did somethin' else, you need to tell us what he did, after that car is parked there. It's extremely important. (pause) Before you guys leave that car.


Dassey: He left the gun in the car.

Cop: That's not what I'm thinkin' about. He did something to that car. He took the plates and he, I believe he did something else in that car. (pause).

Dassey: I don't know.

Cop: OK. Did he, did he, did he go and look at the engine, did he raise the hood at all or anything like that? To do something to the car?

Dassey: Yeah.

Cop: What was that? (pause)

Cop: What did he do, Brendan?

Cop: It's OK, what did he do?

Cop: What did he do under the hood, if that's what he did? (pause)

Dassey: I don't know what he did, but I know he went under.

Cop: He did raise the hood? (Brendan nods "yes") You remember that?

Dassey: Yeah.

(01-04-2016, 06:05 PM)GMDino Wrote: Oh, and I believe a "not guilty" verdict, based on the lack of evidence, would have been acceptable.