(04-12-2016, 12:50 AM)Yojimbo Wrote: If Fisher is so talented, why would that make him a guard instead of Whit's eventual replacement?

(04-12-2016, 12:20 AM)CincyProduct Wrote: Hall was injured all season. Nelson was money hungry...
Aged bengals

(04-12-2016, 01:01 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: "However, Lapham said the Bengals offered Nelson essentially the same deal they gave Iloka without as much guaranteed money and as many years."

So... not the same deal at all, then, got it.

If two of the three important parts of a contract (value, years, guaranteed money) are different, then it's 66% not the same contract, or only 33% similar. That's not the same at all. That's like saying AJ Green (6'4, 207 lbs, 4.50 forty time) and Devon Cajuste (6'4, 234 lbs, 4.62 forty time) from this upcoming draft are essentially the same physically. Sure the weight might be way different, and the speed too, but they're the same height. That's 33%!

Bengals do this a LOT. "Oh, we offered them the same money." or "We offered them the same contract as they signed with the other team." It's the perfect way to make people turn on the players they used to really like and make the Bengals look great for not signing them. How many people disliked JJo after they said they offered him the same money (even though it wasn't)? Now there's someone higher in the thread saying "This makes me not like Reggie Nelson as much as I used to."..... well, it worked, so why wouldn't the Bengals keep doing this?

(04-12-2016, 01:04 PM)Garrus Wrote: At Reggies age, it was a very fair deal. This is not on the Bengals FO.

(04-12-2016, 01:01 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: "However, Lapham said the Bengals offered Nelson essentially the same deal they gave Iloka without as much guaranteed money and as many years."

So... not the same deal at all, then, got it.

If two of the three important parts of a contract (value, years, guaranteed money) are different, then it's 66% not the same contract, or only 33% similar. That's not the same at all. That's like saying AJ Green (6'4, 207 lbs, 4.50 forty time) and Devon Cajuste (6'4, 234 lbs, 4.62 forty time) from this upcoming draft are essentially the same physically. Sure the weight might be way different, and the speed too, but they're the same height. That's 33%!

Bengals do this a LOT. "Oh, we offered them the same money." or "We offered them the same contract as they signed with the other team." It's the perfect way to make people turn on the players they used to really like and make the Bengals look great for not signing them. How many people disliked JJo after they said they offered him the same money (even though it wasn't)? Now there's someone higher in the thread saying "This makes me not like Reggie Nelson as much as I used to."..... well, it worked, so why wouldn't the Bengals keep doing this?

(04-12-2016, 01:13 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Except you don't know exactly what the deal even was and you're calling it very fair. We just know it was supposedly similar to $6m/yr, at an unknown number of years (could have been 1, they don't say conveniently) with less guaranteed money, and Iloka only got $5m guaranteed, or $1m a year, so less than $1m/yr guaranteed?

So if you think it's just a downsized contract of Iloka's with less guaranteed....

2yr/$12m, $1-1.5m guaranteed.... that's not particularly a "very" fair deal. He got $4m guaranteed with the Raiders, and that's even with the FA market dying out. Dude did just come off leading the NFL in INT and being a Pro Bowler. Bengals once again offer less, with less guaranteed money, and call it "similar".

(04-12-2016, 09:48 AM)Crowe Wrote: Nelson bet on himself and lost. He's a solid player, but not elite and with his age, his avg tackling and avg cover skills, he got greedy and it backfired. While I think Oakland is building a solid team, he passed up an opportunity to actually win something here now and by the time I believe Oakland will be a legitimate contender he'll probably be done as I feel Oakland is still a year or two away.

(04-12-2016, 02:11 PM)Derrick Wrote: Maybe like many of us, he didn't see ever winning the trophy with Marvelous Marvin as HC.

(04-12-2016, 02:02 PM)LebanonFan Wrote: Perhaps the FO has more insight into the severity of RN's injury in the playoff game.  I love Reggie, but would prefer to see the guaranteed  money and longer term contracts invested in our younger core

(04-12-2016, 03:37 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: My only point is how the Bengals always seem to pretend they offered the exact same as the other team/another player, but when the details are learned, it's never actually the same. Saying the offered him the same as Iloka, but less years and less money is just silly because then it's not the same at all. That's what I was really trying to get at. If you didn't offer him the same, don't pretend you did. At least own up to it rather than pissing on our shoes and telling us it's raining for the 10th time.

(04-12-2016, 04:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And my point is that the Bengals haters around here always seem to pretend that the Bengals do not even make competitive offers top these guys.

If the Bengals were willing to pay Reggie 6 million a year like they did Iloka then don't act like all they do is low ball potential free agents.

(04-12-2016, 01:01 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Bengals do this a LOT. "Oh, we offered them the same money." or "We offered them the same contract as they signed with the other team." It's the perfect way to make people turn on the players they used to really like and make the Bengals look great for not signing them. How many people disliked JJo after they said they offered him the same money (even though it wasn't)? Now there's someone higher in the thread saying "This makes me not like Reggie Nelson as much as I used to."..... well, it worked, so why wouldn't the Bengals keep doing this?