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Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - CJD - 04-19-2016 https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/16/draft-10-most-overrated-2016-nfl-draft-prospects/ http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/15193129/most-overrated-2016-nfl-draft-prospects-taylor-decker-darron-lee-ohio-state-buckeyes There are two links because the page on PFF has a slightly different list than what ESPN does, for whatever reason. Here is the ESPN insider article: Quote:Scouting for the NFL draft is an inexact science. Every scout and analyst has a slightly different take on each prospect. There's also quite a bit of groupthink that influences the way people view prospects. Prospects include Darron Lee, Taylor Decker, Will Fuller, Braxton Miller and Kevin Dodd. RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - Stormborn - 04-19-2016 Yep, that's about right. Surprised they left Dodd off the list. RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - CJD - 04-19-2016 (04-19-2016, 10:17 AM)Stormborn Wrote: Yep, that's about right. Surprised they left Dodd off the list. Dodd was on the first list on PFF's website. For some reason, the ESPN article referencing the PFF article is slightly different. RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - leonardfan40 - 04-19-2016 As a buckeye fan I can confirm both lee and Miller are overrated, although Miller seems to have come back down to earth a bit. Both are so high for their athletic ability (which is not overrated), while their production and experience definitely don't back their draft status. I'd add both Goff and wentz, Coleman, jalen Marshall (who isn't worth more than a 7th at most imo), Reed, Buckner, and Derek Henry. Sure Im could come up with several more, although they only wanted 10. RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - CJD - 04-19-2016 (04-19-2016, 11:34 AM)leonardfan40 Wrote: As a buckeye fan I can confirm both lee and Miller are overrated, although Miller seems to have come back down to earth a bit. Both are so high for their athletic ability (which is not overrated), while their production and experience definitely don't back their draft status. I agree about both QBs. But Coleman actually shows up on PFF's Most underrated prospects list: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/14/draft-10-most-underrated-nfl-draft-prospects-for-2016/ Quote:Our analysts see some Steve Smith in Coleman’s game, and have him as a possible top-10 prospect in this class as opposed to the late first-rounder or early second-rounder he’s being viewed as elsewhere. His 10 drops on 84 catchable passes is a minor red flag, but he has the deep speed to burn cornerbacks and also the ability to take a short gain and turn it into a touchdown. He ranked ninth in receiving grade in this draft class, and prior to Baylor’s second quarterback (Jarrett Stidham) going down with a season-ending injury, he led the nation in yards per route run average (eventually finishing second in the class behind TCU’s Josh Doctson). RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - leonardfan40 - 04-19-2016 (04-19-2016, 11:43 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I agree about both QBs. But Coleman actually shows up on PFF's Most underrated prospects list: PFF is not right 100% of the time. Those 10 drops are way more than a "minor" red flag if you've actually seen them and not just the stat line. He gets way too much space in the system they run and he won't get that nearly that much breathing room in the NFL. I also hate the amount of snaps he just walks but that's a system thing and it either bothers you or it doesn't. He also runs very few routes and adjusting to the NFL will be tough for him. He is not someone that will end up being worth the first round pick he is likely to get. If he makes it to our second then I'd consider him. RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - Stormborn - 04-19-2016 (04-19-2016, 12:38 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: PFF is not right 100% of the time. Those 10 drops are way more than a "minor" red flag if you've actually seen them and not just the stat line. He gets way too much space in the system they run and he won't get that nearly that much breathing room in the NFL. I also hate the amount of snaps he just walks but that's a system thing and it either bothers you or it doesn't. He also runs very few routes and adjusting to the NFL will be tough for him. He is not someone that will end up being worth the first round pick he is likely to get. If he makes it to our second then I'd consider him. Drops are a fair flag, as for the lack of routes and taking plays off, justifiable. Baylor scheme has QBs only throw to first read, he wasn't the primary option, he was never apart of the play. Opposing teams even knew that. He'll be fine out of the scheme. I want him accustomed to more routes, but he's fine at the basic vertical group along with slants and screens. He's got the foot work to adjust to more complex branches. RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - fredtoast - 04-20-2016 (04-19-2016, 04:15 PM)Stormborn Wrote: I want him accustomed to more routes, but he's fine at the basic vertical group along with slants and screens. He's got the foot work to adjust to more complex branches. This. It is like a college DE that gets by on raw physical ability and doesn't have a lot of pass rush moves. I'd rather take a guy like that and teach him moves than a guy who has already maxed out his ability. And I'd rather take a WR who can get deep and teach him routes than a WR who had to depend on route running to get open against college DBs. RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - Okeana - 04-20-2016 This is kinda off topic, but if we got coleman in round one and shepard in round 2 I may just shoot a load in my pants. I think its almost two much talent to invest into a WR position. RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - WrongVerb - 04-20-2016 (04-20-2016, 04:37 PM)Okeana Wrote: This is kinda off topic, but if we got coleman in round one and shepard in round 2 I may just shoot a load in my pants. I think its almost two much talent to invest into a WR position. A few AFC North defenses might have the same reaction. RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-20-2016 (04-19-2016, 11:43 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I agree about both QBs. But Coleman actually shows up on PFF's Most underrated prospects list: (04-19-2016, 04:15 PM)Stormborn Wrote: Drops are a fair flag, as for the lack of routes and taking plays off, justifiable. (04-20-2016, 10:17 AM)fredtoast Wrote: This. It is like a college DE that gets by on raw physical ability and doesn't have a lot of pass rush moves. I'd rather take a guy like that and teach him moves than a guy who has already maxed out his ability. And I'd take a WR who can get deep and teach him routes than a WR who had to depend on route running to get open against college DBs. (04-20-2016, 04:37 PM)Okeana Wrote: This is kinda off topic, but if we got coleman in round one and shepard in round 2 I may just shoot a load in my pants. I think its almost two much talent to invest into a WR position. (04-20-2016, 04:44 PM)WrongVerb Wrote: A few AFC North defenses might have the same reaction. Happy quite a few see the same things i see with Coleman. The Steve Smith comparison seems very valid to me, he might be even more explosive than SS was in his prime. Go ahead and doubt him cause of his size, go ahead. Dude will give secondarys fits. RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - leonardfan40 - 04-20-2016 I've got a question for those who are fans of Coleman. Do you expect him to be productive in his rookie season like some other recent WR's have or do you think he will need 1+ season to become a real receiving theat? RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-20-2016 (04-20-2016, 05:12 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: I've got a question for those who are fans of Coleman. I think he will have quite a few explosive plays and will be productive overall. Dude has some serious fight in him and with his speed he should still make some plays as a rookie. But i think it will take a year for him to really start to adapt to the new routes he will have to learn. Big reason why i think he would be a perfect fit here as a rookie with Green and Lafell ahead of him. Then when Lafell leaves after this season Green, Eifert and Coleman will start to dominate if he falls to us and we pick him. BTW, i think if he does fall to us we pick him. Love Doctson and Coleman about the same but one of them should be gone when we pick or maybe both. Treadwell should go early IMO. RE: Top 10 overrated prospects PFF - Okeana - 04-20-2016 (04-20-2016, 05:12 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: I've got a question for those who are fans of Coleman.http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=122468&draftyear=2016&genpos=WR Coleman's draft scout and some players to compare him with Boldin http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=168&draftyear=2003&genpos=WR Smith Sr. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=60492&draftyear=2001&genpos=WR Marvin Jones http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=83242&draftyear=2012&genpos=WR On paper he test better than all 3 of these guys with a rare combination of speed and insane vert/broad. He plays tough and while drops are kinda an issue stat wise its nothing abnormal or what I would consider a red flag BTW just to compare his vert/broad look to a guy like Julio Jones who is naturally taller, but has similar athleticism. So I would say that he's basically a taller version of Steven Smith and yes I could see him playing year 1. If this guy had 1-2 less drops and was 3 inches taller he would be a top 5 draft prospect. As far as productivity... well he's option 4-6 on this team coming in so how much can you really expect? Lastly I just want to reiterate that Sterling Shepard may be the better long term prospect out of the two with both have nearly the same physical traits. If we were to get both I think it could open u some unique double slot options and a real nightmare for defenses. |