(12-01-2016, 06:12 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: I rolled my eyes when I saw that. It seems like whenever Marvin's name comes up as a possibility for replacing, Florio will roll this stuff out. This is the fourth season in a row that he's posted this stuff. We also have to remember that Florio is a Steelers fan, so that's why he probably doesn't want Marvin replaced.

Since Marvin took over:

Swept Steelers: 1 (2009)
Split: 6 (2 of these seasons included a 2nd loss in the postseason)
Been swept: 6

Yeah, let's keep Marv and keep the same thing in place.

(12-01-2016, 08:25 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: If you're trying to win, you make a move. Unfortunately the bengals haven't tried to win in almost 3 decades (maybe they did around the 2005 season, but if so it was short lived). Instead they've been trying not to lose. You can see that in their hires and signings. Marvin also coaches (not to lose) that way which is probably why he's lasted this long. You'll never win at anything in life if you're just trying not to lose

(12-01-2016, 08:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This makes no sense at all.

You seriously think the Bengals went to the playoffs 5 straight years without even trying to win?

And how exactly can we "see that in their hirings and signings"?  Are you saying that Mike Zimmer, Jay Gruden, and Hue Jackson did not want to win?

(12-01-2016, 06:12 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: I rolled my eyes when I saw that. It seems like whenever Marvin's name comes up as a possibility for replacing, Florio will roll this stuff out. This is the fourth season in a row that he's posted this stuff. We also have to remember that Florio is a Steelers fan, so that's why he probably doesn't want Marvin replaced.

Since Marvin took over:

Swept Steelers: 1 (2009)
Split: 6 (2 of these seasons included a 2nd loss in the postseason)
Been swept: 6

Yeah, let's keep Marv and keep the same thing in place.

(12-01-2016, 06:40 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: My only concern about moving on from Marvin who gets the job and how long will they have to win.

If the HC gig is just handed off to Zampese or Guenther and they get a decade or so to coach then that doesn't sound like a good deal. At this point though we need to just try something new.

I just dont want to see the HC job given to one of the coordinators.

(12-01-2016, 06:45 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: Also do we really know who would be responsible for the hiring process after Marvin?

Would it be led by Katie or Mike?

(12-01-2016, 06:02 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I came across an article from PFT today, written by Florio, that struck me as interesting because it makes a couple points in it that have been talked about and debated going back to the old board:

'And before Bengals fans begin to clamor for change just for the sake of change, consider how bad the team in the 12 years before Lewis arrived.'

'Brown has tolerated much worse for much longer, and there’s no guarantee that he’ll find someone else as good or better than Lewis.'

How many times have we seen some version of these since the end of the 2013 season? While I agree with the overall article that Marvin will most likely be back next year, I continue to have an issue with the logic in the two sentences I quoted.

The 'change for the sake of change' statement has lost it's shelf life at this point. After 14 years, going 0-7 in the postseason and struggling mightily this year...it's not as though making a change would be a knee jerk reaction or whimsical decision to appease the fans. It wouldn't be change for the sake of change, it would be change in hope of achieving a new end result. 

Then he makes the points (often mentioned on the boards) about how the next HC might not be as good...and how bad the Bengals were before Marvin, which sometimes invokes the 'it could always be worse' or 'I don't wanna go back to the 90's' arguments in favor of keeping Marvin. My point on this has always been that there are no guarantees either way. Yeah, the next HC could end up being a disaster...or he might be the missing ingredient that takes the team to another level of success. At some point, a change has to be made, even if there's some risk associated with it.

I thought a statement made by Marvin to Paul Dehner was interesting...

'Everybody understands the object of the game is to win games. That’s our responsibility to pull it out of the players. It’s our responsibility to pull it out of the players as much as we can. When it’s not there then we have to get a new player.'

I would say to that...if the HC is getting the desired results, then maybe we have to get a new HC.

(12-02-2016, 03:17 AM)mallorian69 Wrote: Everybody understands the object of the game is to win games. That’s our responsibility to pull it out of the players. It’s our responsibility to pull it out of the players as much as we can. When it’s not there then we have to get a new player.'




This sounds like Marvin is blaming everything on the players and taking none of it for himself. 

If that's true it's no wonder why it seems like guys aren't giving it their all in recent games.

I think Marvin has lost this team because of this type of attitude.

(12-02-2016, 12:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Now I am really confused.

i have been hearing over and over again how Marvin's biggest flaw is that he does not hols any players accountable.

Now when he says he is going to hold players accountable he gets ripped for that also.

(12-01-2016, 06:45 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: Also do we really know who would be responsible for the hiring process after Marvin?

Would it be led by Katie or Mike?

(12-01-2016, 09:15 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Hard telling, but it seemed both had a say in the 2003 search. 

(12-02-2016, 05:23 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: From what I remember, Mike was leaning towards Coughlin, but Katie made a push for Marvin. She campaigned for him and Mike listened to her.