(12-19-2016, 02:25 PM)GreenDragon Wrote: Burkhead has been very reliable in the past. I can understand the reasoning by this play.

(12-19-2016, 02:35 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: This isn't a knock on Burkhead, I like Burkhead and think he's been tragically under utilized, especially this season, Hill isn't getting it done.

It's more about 4 runs in a row in the redzone. It could have been Hill or a mixture of the two. And especially against the number 4 run D in the NFL.

We were in a position to put the Steelers on the ropes and we played for the FG ! Typical Marv ball.

That's the point

(12-19-2016, 02:41 PM)bengals67 Wrote: very true

plus, how many times in second half did we start a series with a run for no game and several times another run for no gain.

Steelers have great run defense

they are very vulnerable to passes on first down when they are not sending the house.

Dalton picked them apart on first down passing in first half and we stopped doing that in second half.

(12-19-2016, 02:41 PM)bengals67 Wrote: very true

plus, how many times in second half did we start a series with a run for no game and several times another run for no gain.

Steelers have great run defense

they are very vulnerable to passes on first down when they are not sending the house.

Dalton picked them apart on first down passing in first half and we stopped doing that in second half.

(12-19-2016, 03:02 PM)Wyche Wrote: Kinda like how BJGE OWNED the Chargers his entire career, and even the first half of the 2013 WC game, then benched him the second half?

(12-19-2016, 03:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well this thread is unique.

(12-19-2016, 03:12 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Yep,

Hill had 6 carries in the 2nd half for 1 yard. 3 of them were on first down for no net gain and they set us behind the chains as the saying goes. It's like the coaches say we don't care if it's not working, it's our plan so we're gonna run it.


A theme under ML that rings true time and time again. We're gonna ram our plan down whoever's throat whether it works or not. We get out coached in the 2nd half way to often.

(12-19-2016, 02:25 PM)GreenDragon Wrote: Burkhead has been very reliable in the past. I can understand the reasoning by this play.

(12-19-2016, 03:27 PM)bengalhoel Wrote: He has barely played in his time with the Bengals. This was terrible play calling bottom line!

(12-19-2016, 03:02 PM)Wyche Wrote: Kinda like how BJGE OWNED the Chargers his entire career, and even the first half of the 2013 WC game, then benched him the second half?

(12-24-2016, 11:23 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I have never seen a better example of how fans complain about playcalling no matter what is called.


"Bengal coaches were insane and incompetent to stop running BJGE when he was effective against the Chargers."


"Bengals coaches were also insane and incompetent to NOT stop running Burkhead when he had 3 straight carries for 23 yards (7.7 avg).  Especially when we had scored a td on a running play from the exact same position the last time we had the ball. "


Doesn't really matter what the coaches call.  If it does not work then automatically makes it stupid.  If the coach sticks with what is working then he is "too predictable", and if he tries something different he is stupid for "giving up on what was working".  And the fan can then set back and claim that what he wanted to do would have worked.

You don't see anyone here complaining about running the ball on THIRD down from the 4 when Hill scored, but for some reason coaches have to be completely incompetent to call a run play on SECOND down in the exact same situation.

(12-24-2016, 12:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Here is what I remember.

All the fans here were calling Marvin incompetent for even letting BJGE carry the ball in the first place.  Everyone was saying he should be benched and Gio should have gotten all the carries.

BTW the first half of the Chargers game Benny had three decent runs (totaled 23 yards) and three other runs that gained a total of 4 yards.  In the same first half Gio had 3 decent runs that totaled 23 yards and 4 others that totaled 3 yards.  The claim that Benny was running wild in the first half is a myth.  His production was almost identical to Gio's in the first half.

(12-24-2016, 01:12 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Calling Burkheads # on say the 2nd down play after 1st down pass failed, I can live with that. Calling three more runs in a row after that with Burkhead is where the terrible play calling comes in. 

(12-24-2016, 01:41 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: Tell us Fred: are you really happy with these coaching decisions? Do you agree with them? What would you have done different (if anything)? I've seen you say Marvin should be fired several times throughout the year so are you simply being facetious here? Or are you back on the Marvin bandwagon?

(12-24-2016, 12:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Here is what I remember.

All the fans here were calling Marvin incompetent for even letting BJGE carry the ball in the first place.  Everyone was saying he should be benched and Gio should have gotten all the carries.

BTW the first half of the Chargers game Benny had three decent runs (totaled 23 yards) and three other runs that gained a total of 4 yards.  In the same first half Gio had 3 decent runs that totaled 23 yards and 4 others that totaled 3 yards.  The claim that Benny was running wild in the first half is a myth.  His production was almost identical to Gio's in the first half.

(12-27-2016, 02:03 PM)Wyche Wrote: Fred......I've posted Green - Ellis ' career numbers against SD numerous times....they don't lie. I'm not all fans....I knew Benjarvus ALWAYS torched SD. 

(12-27-2016, 02:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You are not all fans because all fans do not consider 66 yards and a 4.0 avg as "torching" a team.