(12-19-2016, 03:47 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Just wondering where the Andy Dalton little drummer boys are? Do we put any of yesterdays loss on our QB? Or do we have some excuses?

Andy is an above average QB most of the time. But his performances in big games leave a lot to be desired. And I am not sold he can get us over the hump.

Little tidbit from the Bengals homepage. Dalton was 25th in the league in 4th quarter passer rating going into the Steelers game. And put up a 47.9 yesterday.

Unless he has a couple more 157 yard games he should break the 4,000 yard mark this year. For only the 2nd time in his career. And he will be lucky to get 20 passing TDs.

It is not impossible to improve on Dalton like some around here seem to think. Absolutely things could be worse at QB. But we could also do better.

51.4
44.7
67.0
63.4
What are those? Dalton's QB rating in his playoff games.

Give a lot of QBs one of the best WRs in the game and one of the best TEs in the game and one of the best defenses. And they too will win games.

Dalton is solid and has a favorable contract. But what if he isn't the answer? AJ McCarron won the games he was supposed to win last year. And almost beat the eventual Super Bowl champs at their house and barely lost a playoff game that we should have won. We have a good team. A top QB would dominate with this team around him (and a non-shitbag head coach).

(12-19-2016, 04:06 PM)Wyche Wrote: Yep, but lets take a look back at that game.  It was eerily similar to yesterday.  We had a good first half, then the second half rolls around and we get blanked because why?  Wade Phillips made an adjustment from man coverage to zone, and we had no answer.  The Stoolers adjusted at the half yesterday, and.........we had no answer.  San Diego WC game, 2013, BJGE had around 50 yards at the half and was averaging over 5 YPC (not to mention Benny owned SD his entire career), only to be benched.  The coaching truly is the biggest downfall of this team.

(12-19-2016, 04:27 PM)PV Bengal Wrote: Abso-freakin'-lutely. Our coaches have NO IDEA what halftime is for. They make no adjustments ... EVER. I suspect Marv and the rest of the coaches just go into his office for a circle-jerk.

(12-19-2016, 04:01 PM)PikesPeakUC Wrote: I don't know if Dalton is the guy, or if McCarron is either. The offense has been so putrid this year that it's hard to make any kind of evaluation, to be fair.

The problem with QB's like Dalton is that you can't let him go if you don't have a better option, and until you have a better option, you can't let him go. The plus side is that our offense is designed to be balanced, which should take some pressure off the QB. The issue, obviously, is that we've been as balanced as a chubby kid sitting on a seesaw with an ant.

(12-19-2016, 04:05 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: There's a thread for this ad naseum! Please move it and post it there. Six years of the same ole same ole is getting old real fast!!!

(12-19-2016, 04:29 PM)Wyche Wrote: Yessir, and that's only three games right off the top of my head......

(12-19-2016, 04:12 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: They're  all probably in the Ultimate Andy Dalton thread like usual.  

There isn't one player who is the answer in a team sport. So when most of us acknowledged that the o-line has sucked this year, we failed to transition from the loss of Jones and Sanu and the defense has been a disappointment that it was gonna limit Dalton. Team sports work that way sometimes.

(12-19-2016, 04:29 PM)Wyche Wrote: Yessir, and that's only three games right off the top of my head......

(12-19-2016, 04:48 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: The San Diego debacle of 2006 sticks out the most. That's the day I lost a whole lot of faith in Marvin. 

(12-19-2016, 04:44 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Is that all it takes? 3 high priced WRs. Elite OL play. One of the top pass catching TEs in the league. Two second round RBs. And a studly defense. Then we can count on Dalton to get us wins? That isn't franchise QB material. 

They loaded the box to stop the run yesterday. Dalton was sacked one time. No pass catcher other than Lafell had more than 18 yards. 

I blame a lot on the coaches. But it is the players on the field actually playing. In a close winnable game, it was our QB who put up a 47.9 QB rating in the 4th quarter. It wasn't Marvin Lewis or Zampese out there throwing the ball it was Dalton who led us to one first down in the 4th quarter. 

(12-19-2016, 04:51 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The interception where he threw it right to Timmons was bad and certainly hurt us...but I can't fault him for the loss. Not being able to run the ball is the big bane of the offenses existance.

Dalton has played extremely well in the absence of Green.

(12-19-2016, 03:47 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Little tidbit from the Bengals homepage. Dalton was 25th in the league in 4th quarter passer rating going into the Steelers game. And put up a 47.9 yesterday.

(12-19-2016, 05:13 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote:
Yes he did -- and Andy Dalton could have made a few different decisions like the throw intercepted by Lawrence Timmons.  I know Andy would love to take that pass back.  But let's be totally honest here:  The Bengals had no running game, AJ Green was on the sideline, the Steelers double and triple covered Tyler Boyd, and in the second half Pittsburgh fielded only two down lineman and dropped as many as nine people into coverage.                      

(12-19-2016, 04:48 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: The San Diego debacle of 2006 sticks out the most. That's the day I lost a whole lot of faith in Marvin.