(01-13-2017, 03:27 AM)TKUHL Wrote: Nice draft, I really like the Moton pick. I hate to tell ya and i never thought i would be bummed out about a K but he's not going into the draft. He's returning to school.

(01-13-2017, 11:10 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Well, damn. Guess I'm gonna have to go with Younghoe Koo. Who doesn't like them some Younghoe?

(01-13-2017, 11:10 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Well, damn. Guess I'm gonna have to go with Younghoe Koo. Who doesn't like them some Younghoe?

(01-23-2017, 02:49 PM)TKUHL Wrote: 9: R1P9  
LB REUBEN FOSTER
ALABAMA

41: R2P9  
EDGE DEMARCUS WALKER
FLORIDA STATE

73: R3P9  
WR COOPER KUPP
EASTERN WASHINGTON

114: R4P9  
OT TAYLOR MOTON
WESTERN MICHIGAN

137: R4P32  
C TYLER ORLOSKY
WEST VIRGINIA

144: R4P39  
CB RASUL DOUGLAS
WEST VIRGINIA

154: R5P9  
EDGE HUNTER DIMICK
UTAH

194: R6P9  
WR TAYWAN TAYLOR
WESTERN KENTUCKY

218: R6P33  
LB T.J. WATT
WISCONSIN

221: R6P36  
TE DAVID NJOKU
MIAMI

230: R7P9  
RB JOE MIXON
OKLAHOMA       Not sure how these 2 guys were still on the board with the last 2 picks. For the record, this is the first time ive mocked Joe Mixon, I would hate for us to pick this idiot. I just picked him cause he was still there. Maybe he will drop like a rock in the actual draft too.

(02-09-2017, 02:31 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Version 2.0

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Two trades:  I traded back in the first round, 1/9 for 1/20, 2/19, and 3/37.  So instead of drafting a player like Reuben foster a #9, instead I got OLB/DE McKinley, RT Moton, and LB Walker, Jr.

I traded up in the fourth round 4/9, 6/36 (compensatory pick), and 7/9 for 4/1 and drafted C Eflein.

20: R1P20 EDGE TAKKARIST MCKINLEY
UCLA

Edge rusher who could be used similarly to Tim Williams, but without the off field issue. Could play SAM during running situations and DE during passing situations.  Some will say he is too small to play DE in the NFL, but he is actually bigger than Vic Beasley who tore it up this year with 15.5 sacks.

41: R2P9  WR CURTIS SAMUEL 
OHIO STATE

Can be used as both a WR and a RB, so Gio doesn't need to be rushed back from his knee injury.

51: R2P19  OT TAYLOR MOTON 
WESTERN MICHIGAN

I envision Moton at RT allowing Fisher to replace Zeitler at RG who I don't believe the Bengals will re-sign.

73: R3P9  CB ADOREE' JACKSON 
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

Swiss Army knife versatility; CB, WR, return specialist.  Pacman's replacement at CB allows them to save $6M/yr and apply towards re-signing Kirkpatrick who they need to bring back.  Would compete for time as a nickel corner at first and allow Dennard and WJIII to compete for an outside spot opposite Kirkpatrick.

101: R3P37 LB ANTHONY WALKER JR. 
NORTHWESTERN

More of a Will in a 4-3 than a MLB.  Three down LBer with coverage skills.  I've seen comparisons to Lavonte David.

106: R4P1  C PAT ELFLEIN 
OHIO STATE

Able to play C or G.  With Alexander's track record, I don't see him unseating Bodine as the starter during year one barring injury.

137: R4P32  RB BRIAN HILL 
WYOMING

I don't expect the Bengals to be able to re-sign both Peerman and Burkhead.  Hill is a capable replacement.

144: R4P39  WR JOSH REYNOLDS 
TEXAS A&M

I think the Bengals like what they have in Boyd and don't re-sign LaFell.  I see Green and Boyd on the outside with Samuel in the slot with Core, Reynolds, and Erickson as the back ups.

154: R5P9  G AVERY GENNESY 
TEXAS A&M

O-line depth able to play both OG and OT.  I see Whit brought back on a 1-2 year deal allowing Ogbuehi to develop, Boling at LG, Bodine at C, Fisher at RG, and Moton at RT.  Elflein, Westerman both able to play OG or C and Genesy able to play OG or OT in a pinch.

194: R6P9  K ZANE GONZALEZ 
ARIZONA STATE

No explanation necessary.

218: R6P33  QB JOSHUA DOBBS 
TENNESSEE

Development QB if the Bengals trade McCarron and roll with Driskel as the back up.

(02-09-2017, 08:55 PM)Whatever Wrote: McKinley has a ton of upside, but needs a lot of polishing.  He has poor functional strength and a lot of bad weight on his frame, so he will either need to gain strength to be a DE or cut weight to play LB.  I had similar thoughts as you about how to work him in, but he is a huge project that won't likely contribute much as a rookie.  To trade away an immediate starter at 9 to get a 1st rounder who won't play much would be a disappointment.

Quote:Samuel is pretty inexperienced as a RB at the college level, and will limited in that role because he can't pick up the blitz.  He's a good route runner for a RB, but not for a WR.  He could beat out Erickson as a returner, but he's another project that we won't see early dividends from.

Quote:I see Moton projected as a G mainly due to his bad feet and technique, which is where he played earlier in his career.  Putting Moton at T and Fisher at G is just moving two guys out of their natural position.

Quote:I don't get the Jackson pick at all.  If you bring back Kirk, you have WJIII and Dennard as your 2 and 3 and Shaw and Russell battling for the #4 spot.  Jackson is likely a 3rd round pick for a #6 CB.

Quote:Walker is a good pick at the end of three, and Elflein is a good value in the 4th.  Hill and Reynolds are good 3rd day prospects.  

(02-10-2017, 03:00 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: More often than not, first round picks sit the bench under Marvin Lewis.  If you're hoping for a Day 1 starter @ #9, Marvin's history indicates you will be disappointed.  What college DE doesn't need to get stronger for the NFL?  If someone needs to get stronger you can just say that rather than "has poor functional strength and a lot of bad weight."  I've always thought it is was a silly and redundant draft term.  What weight does James Harrison play LBer at?  What DE do you think the Bengals will draft that is going to come in a be a Day 1 starter of the over-rated Michael Johnson?  Hell, Geno Atkins had to sit behind Tank Johnson for a year.  Outside of possibly two DEs in this draft class, any DE the Bengals draft will be a situational pass rusher as part of the rotation.  



Samuel can be used as a more talented Artrell Hawkins who can also return punts and kicks and rotate as a HB until Gio is ready to return.  Hell, just let him run slants out of the slot or screens out of the backfield and let him use his speed for RAC.  Or just have him run deep like Chris Henry.

If Samuel sucks at picking up the blitz then the coaches shouldn't set him up for failure.


Both played G and T in college.  Both were/are projected to play G or T in the NFL.  If either of them had a "natural" position, they wouldn't have played both positions in college and been projected to play both in the NFL.  If Fisher is a "natural" T, why do they insist upon using him as a TE?


Pretty simple.  When is the last time the Bengals made it through a season without a CB going down with an injury?  Dennard and WJIII have a combined 4 starts between them and one of those two doesn't have any NFL statistics at all. Plus I believe Adoree is a better fit as a nickel CB than Dennard or WJIII.  That's just my personal opinion.  That doesn't mean I don't think Dennard or WJIII can't play nickel CB, I just think Adoree would be a better match up against an Edelman type slot receiver.  Plus he has added value as a return man the coaches can occasionally use of offense in a 3 or 4 WR set. His versatility helps protect the team against injury at other positions.


What makes these "good"?

(02-10-2017, 10:08 PM)Whatever Wrote: Generally under Marvin, top 10 picks start immediately.  The lone exception to that would be Andre, and iirc, that was due to holdout/injury.  That's another reason I'm not keen on trading down.  You're sacrificing a year one starter in all likelihood by trading out of the top 10.  Thomas would likely be starting by the halfway point of the year if he didn't win the job in camp.  Barnett, who I'm not high on, or Charlton likely start by the end of the year, although both are likely reaches.  If you look at other position groups, Foster, who I'm also not wild about, or Cunningham, who would be a reach, start immediately at LB.  Jamal Adams likely starts day 1 at S.  Cook or Fornette start immediately at RB.  Williams or Davis start at WR.  

Samuel is more of a body catcher than a hands catcher, and Andy had issues keeping passes down to Hawkins.  I see a bunch of high throws bouncing off Samuel's hands and into the arms of waiting defenders.  Aside from as a returner, he's a guy you're going to have to diagram plays up for to get the ball in his hands like jet sweeps, reverses, etc.  I'm not sure that Zampese can utilize him to the best of his ability.  Burkhead was used in a similar RB/WR hybrid role, and they had trouble getting him touches.

Fisher is more of a finesse player with better feet.  Moton is a great in line blocker and has bad feet.  Lots of colleges start young players at G and then move them to T or C.

If we apply the same logic you used to defend the McKinley pick about Marvin not playing rookies, you have your answer. A rookie 3rd rounder isn't going to play nickel corner over a former 1st round pick, a third year man who's seen significant playing time in the role, and a 3rd rounder with a year in the system.

Walker helps us get a little faster at LB, and may take over at WILL if Burfict leaves in FA next year.  Elflein would get a year to develop and hopefully take over for Bodine next year.  Reynolds reminds me a little of Marvin Jones, and could be our #2 in a year or two.  

(02-09-2017, 05:01 PM)seahawkscheat Wrote: 9: R1P9
RB DALVIN COOK
FLORIDA STATE
41: R2P9
G DAN FEENEY
INDIANA
73: R3P9
EDGE JORDAN WILLIS
KANSAS STATE
114: R4P9
C ETHAN POCIC
LSU
137: R4P32
LB HARDY NICKERSON
ILLINOIS
144: R4P39
S MARCUS MAYE
FLORIDA
154: R5P9
WR CHAD HANSEN
CALIFORNIA
194: R6P9
OT J.J. DIELMAN
UTAH
218: R6P33
DL KENNY BIGELOW JR.
USC
221: R6P36
LB BEN BOULWARE
CLEMSON
230: R7P9
CB DWAYNE THOMAS
LSU