PFF Thru Raiders Game

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Ratings for most of our guys thru the LV game. Weight their opinion as you will.

Offense:

Burrow: 82.5
Mixon: 81.9
Chase: 76.9
Higgins: 73.0
Boyd: 70.7
Uzomah: 64.6
J. Williams: 74.7
Spain: 74.8
Hopkins: 46.4
Carman: 43.5
Reiff: 69.8
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D. Sample: 57.2
Perine: 63.3
Adeniji: 56.8
XSF: 50.0
Tate: 69.6
--------------100+ snaps-----------
Thomas: 69.4
T. Hill: 60.5
Prince: 86.9
--------------- 50+ snaps----------
C. Evans: 76.8
Irwin: 65.5
-------------40+ snaps


Defense:

Hendrickson: 71.0
Ogunjobi: 56.4
Reader: 85.2
Hubbard: 67.5
L. Wilson: 51.1
Pratt: 48.8
Awuzie: 75.4
Apple: 51.7
Hilton: 66.8
Bell: 73.0
Bates: 55.2
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BJ Hill: 74.4
Tupou: 66.5
ADG: 60.2
C. Sample: 51.2
------------- 200+ snaps-------
Ray: 63.5
---------100+ snaps----------
Waynes: 51.8
R. Allen: 58.4
B. Wilson: 58.3
Phillips: 65.3
------------50+ snaps----------
J. Evans: 57.7
-------------40+ snaps---------

[*SHRacerX*]

I don't know what they are watching. When I "iso" Stanley Morgan, Jr (who I will now be referring to as SMJ), he beast-modes just about everything in his path. I absolutely love how that guy just tries to help the team any way he can. I can't help but think he could be a more reliable kick return option.

Also, Adeniji had a nice rebound from his first weeks action. His individual overall rating was 64.7 and his pass blocking was an 80.1. He wasn't going against the toughest interior line, but I will take it.

Huge props to Eli Apple for his #2 overall team ranking on defense with an 87.1.

[BurrowTheGoat]

Spain, Jonah and Reiff all solid but damn Hopkins and RG still big time weak spots. Imagine if we had just signed Thuney in the off-season. Could have used 2nd rounder on a C and been in a much better place but oh well. Hopefully we re-sign Spain in the off-season what a great mid-season addition he was.

[Whatever]

(11-22-2021, 03:27 PM)BurrowTheGoat Wrote: Spain, Jonah and Reiff all solid but damn Hopkins and RG still big time weak spots.  Imagine if we had just signed Thuney in the off-season.  Could have used 2nd rounder on a C and been in a much better place but oh well.  Hopefully we re-sign Spain in the off-season what a great mid-season addition he was.

Thuney is a LG,so that would mean kicking Spain to RG where he struggled last year(assuming we would resign him at all if we got Thuney).

[*ochocincos*]

(11-22-2021, 02:51 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Ratings for most of our guys thru the LV game. Weight their opinion as you will.

Offense:

Burrow: 82.5 (8th QB)
Mixon: 81.9 (9th RB)
Chase: 76.9 (22nd WR)
Higgins: 73.0 (39th WR)
Boyd: 70.7 (48th WR)
Uzomah: 64.6 (30th TE)
J. Williams: 74.7 (22nd OT)
Spain: 74.8 (12th G)
Hopkins: 46.4 (38th C)
Carman: 43.5 (76th G)
Reiff: 69.8 (36th OT)
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D. Sample: 57.2
Perine: 63.3
Adeniji: 56.8
XSF: 50.0
Tate: 69.6
--------------100+ snaps-----------
Thomas: 69.4
T. Hill: 60.5
Prince: 86.9
--------------- 50+ snaps----------
C. Evans: 76.8
Irwin: 65.5
-------------40+ snaps


Defense:

Hendrickson: 71.0 (37th edge)
Ogunjobi: 56.4 (76th IDL)
Reader: 85.2 (5th IDL)
Hubbard: 67.5 (49th edge)
L. Wilson: 51.1 (49th LB)
Pratt: 48.8 (52nd LB)
Awuzie: 75.4 (9th CB)
Apple: 51.7 (101st CB)
Hilton: 66.8 (39th CB)
Bell: 73.0 (19th SAF)
Bates: 55.2 (74th SAF)
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BJ Hill: 74.4 (14th IDL)
Tupou: 66.5 (41st IDL)
ADG: 60.2
C. Sample: 51.2
------------- 200+ snaps-------
Ray: 63.5
---------100+ snaps----------
Waynes: 51.8
R. Allen: 58.4
B. Wilson: 58.3
Phillips: 65.3
------------50+ snaps----------
J. Evans: 57.7
-------------40+ snaps---------

Some positional rankings above in BOLD

[BurrowTheGoat]

(11-22-2021, 03:58 PM)Whatever Wrote: Thuney is a LG,so that would mean kicking Spain to RG where he struggled last year(assuming we would resign him at all if we got Thuney).

I mean shoot at the moment we got 2 converted tackles playing RG so id take Thuney or Spain in that spot any day..

[fredtoast]

(11-22-2021, 04:10 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Hubbard: 67.5 (49th edge)

Some positional rankings above in BOLD

Among DE Hubbard ranks

2nd in solo tackles (27) behind Josh Allen
3rd in total tackles (45) behind Allen and Leonard Williams
3rd in tackles for loss (10) behind Nick Bosa and Myles Garrett
7th in sacks (6)
7th in PDs (3)
14th in QB hits (11)

Among all players in the league he ranks

2nd in hurries (14)
7th in pressures (27)


More proof what a joke PFF can be at times.

[*ochocincos*]

(11-22-2021, 04:22 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Among DE Hubbard ranks

2nd in solo tackles (27) behind Josh Allen
3rd in total tackles (45) behind Allen and Leonard Williams
3rd in tackles for loss (10) behind Nick Bosa and Myles Garrett
7th in sacks (6)
7th in PDs (3)
14th in QB hits (11)

Among all players in the league he ranks

2nd in hurries (14)
7th in pressures (27)


More proof what a joke PFF can be at times.

.

You are focusing solely on DEs, but they factor in all edge defenders.

For example, Hubbard is 17th in sacks if including OLBs.
Hubbard is 29th in the league in QB Hits including OLBs.

I'm not saying their ratings are 100% accurate, but they are including players that your stats are not.

[*bfine32*]

(11-22-2021, 04:10 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Some positional rankings above in BOLD

Larry O came out of the gate on fire, but has disappeared. I would like to see what a rested Geno could bring to a playoff run..

[fredtoast]

(11-22-2021, 04:42 PM)ochocincos Wrote: .

You are focusing solely on DEs, but they factor in all edge defenders.

For example, Hubbard is 17th in sacks if including OLBs.
Hubbard is 29th in the league in QB Hits including OLBs.

I'm not saying their ratings are 100% accurate, but they are including players that your stats are not.

17th and 29th are still no where close to 49th.

[*ochocincos*]

(11-22-2021, 06:23 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 17th and 29th are still no where close to 49th.

Correct, but in PFF's defense, they look at every single snap for every single player.
Stats only show plays that individual was the key factor in.
It's possible that Hubbard could have had some bad snaps but wasn't the one who could make a tackle, get a pressure, etc. that would rightfully make his rating lower (or higher) than where he ranks stat-wise. We saw something similar last year where Carl Lawson was rated favorably but had very few sacks.

It's a fair question to ask PFF though why someone is rated so much lower than where they align stat-wise.
I've asked them a couple questions related to things like this before though and never gotten a response.
Maybe you can have better luck.

[Frank Booth]

(11-22-2021, 02:51 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Offense:

Burrow: 82.5
Mixon: 81.9
Chase: 76.9
Higgins: 73.0
Boyd: 70.7
Uzomah: 64.6
J. Williams: 74.7
Spain: 74.8
Hopkins: 46.4
Carman: 43.5
Reiff: 69.8

golly

[thompson19osu]

(11-22-2021, 11:09 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: golly

Hopkins rates about the same as a rookie not playing his usual position? Yikes.

[*michaelsean*]

(11-22-2021, 04:42 PM)ochocincos Wrote: .

You are focusing solely on DEs, but they factor in all edge defenders.

For example, Hubbard is 17th in sacks if including OLBs.
Hubbard is 29th in the league in QB Hits including OLBs.

I'm not saying their ratings are 100% accurate, but they are including players that your stats are not.

Seems fair since he’s a DE

[*Synric*]

(11-22-2021, 06:34 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Correct, but in PFF's defense, they look at every single snap for every single player.
Stats only show plays that individual was the key factor in.
It's possible that Hubbard could have had some bad snaps but wasn't the one who could make a tackle, get a pressure, etc. that would rightfully make his rating lower (or higher) than where he ranks stat-wise. We saw something similar last year where Carl Lawson was rated favorably but had very few sacks.

It's a fair question to ask PFF though why someone is rated so much lower than where they align stat-wise.
I've asked them a couple questions related to things like this before though and never gotten a response.
Maybe you can have better luck.

Who is they? 

I remember when Cris Collinsworth took over PFF they hired former college players and coaches to review tape and give grades. From what I understand it's now part-time college students that get an internet course on how to review tape.

PFF reminds me of Digiorno Frozen pizzas. As they built their brand it was an excellent product but after success they have began to put out alot cheaper product.


Edit: Who remembers Digiornos Deep Dish Pizza Pies they discontinued I miss those so much.

[*ochocincos*]

(11-22-2021, 11:17 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Seems fair since he’s a DE

The point is PFF's rankings don't do just DEs. They do all edge rushers, which is both DEs and OLBs.

[*ochocincos*]

(11-22-2021, 11:21 PM)Synric Wrote: Who is they? 

I remember when Cris Collinsworth took over PFF they hired former college players and coaches to review tape and give grades. From what I understand it's now part-time college students that get an internet course on how to review tape.

PFF reminds me of Digiorno Frozen pizzas. As they built their brand it was an excellent product but after success they have began to put out alot cheaper product.


Edit: Who remembers Digiornos Deep Dish Pizza Pies they discontinued I miss those so much.

I don't know exactly (they don't exactly broadcast that), but what I do know is that many respectable sites, the NFL itself, and NFL teams talk about PFF and factor in their ratings. They are a respectable company that many people find value in.

[*Go Cards*]

(11-22-2021, 04:10 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Some positional rankings above in BOLD

Nice seeing 5 players in the top 12 positional rankings. 

[*Synric*]

(11-22-2021, 11:26 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I don't know exactly (they don't exactly broadcast that), but what I do know is that many respectable sites, the NFL itself, and NFL teams talk about PFF and factor in their ratings. They aren't the equivalent or Walter Football or something like that. They are a respectable company that many people find value in.

Doesnt change the fact that their player grading has gone downhill since they started spending less on the people doing the evaluations. PFF still has a top notch analytics department though.

[*michaelsean*]

(11-22-2021, 11:23 PM)ochocincos Wrote: The point is PFF's rankings don't do just DEs. They do all edge rushers, which is both DEs and OLBs.

Yes but I think Fred’s numbers give a more accurate picture.