Current state of the Roster: 2023 FA

[NUGDUKWE]

(03-16-2023, 08:36 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree, way premature to cut La'el. Mixon on the other hand...

We can designate him a June 1st cut at anytime and that gives him time to land with another team, the classy way.

I guess maybe from a money stand point. But Collins was bad before he got injured and I don't coming back from a knee injury making him better. Mixon can still carry the load and after losing Perine appears to be our best option. Heading into a draft we have a lot of needs.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Well, we landed a TE in Irv Smith Jr., and added some CB depth in Sydney Jones. Both have been added to the roster. Roster now at 53, though too heavy in some spots (12 OL & 5 S) and light in others (1 QB, 2 TE, 3 RB). Obviously, with more signings & draftees, all those on my 53 won't be there come September. Some will be displaced, be it by a new signee  a draftee, or a PS guy. Some might not be physically ready to play (Chido, Collins). 


But for cap purposes (top 51), even if we assume Chido/Collins on PUP, we are in displacement territory on the roster, even after taking the Practice Squad types off the board.

I.  53 Man Roster: Signed Players = 53.

A. Offense = 24.

1. QB (1): Burrow
2. RB (3): Mixon; T. Williams (KR1), Evans (KR2)
3. WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Boyd; Irwin, Morgan, Taylor (PR)
4. TE (2): I. Smith, Jr., Asiasi
5. OT (7): Brown, J. Williams; Collins (I), Carman, Adeniji, D. Smith, Ford.
6. OG (3): Cappa, Volson; Scharping
7. C (2): Karras, T. Hill

B. Defense = 26.  

1. DE (5): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Ossai, C. Sample, Gunter
2. NT/DT (5): Reader, BJ Hill; Tupou, Carter, Tufele
3. LB (5): L. Wilson, Pratt; ASG, Bailey, Bachie
4. CB (6): Awuzie (I), CTB, Hilton; Jones, George, J. Davis
5. S (5): D. Hill, Scott; Anderson, B. Wilson (KR3), Thomas

C. Special Teams = 3.

1. PK (1). McPherson.
2. P (1): Chrisman
3. LS (1): Adomitis

II. Practice Squad Players = 13  

1. Jake Browning, QB
2. Kwamie Lassiter, WR
3. Tanner Hudson, TE
4. Nick Bowers, TE
5. Devin Cochran, OT
6. Nate Gilliam, G
7. Ben Brown, C
8. Raymond Johnson III, DE
9. Owen Carney, DE
10. Dominique Davis, DT
11. Keandre Jones, LB
12. Marvell Tell, CB
13. Yusuf Corker, S

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Updated to include Scharping's contract info & the signings of TE Irv Smith Jr. and CB Sydney Jones.

New Signings:

Player, Position, 2023 Cap Hit; Contract Length/Amount, Dead Cap
1. Orlando Brown, LT, $10,398,000; 4 yrs/$64,092,000; $31.1 mil
2. Nick Scott, SS, $2,388,235; 3 yrs/$12 mil; $3 mil
3. Cody Ford, OT/OG, $940,000, 1 year; $0
4. Sydney Jones, CB, $ Unknown, 1 year; ?
5. Irv Smith Jr., TE, $ Unknown, 1 year; ?


Re-Signed:
Player, Position, 2023 Cap Hit; Contract length/value; Dead Cap
1. Germaine Pratt, LB, $5,403,921; 3 yrs/$20,250,000; $7 mil
2. Max Scharping, OG, $1,280,000, 1 year; $175k
3. Jalen Davis, CB, $1,205,000; 2 yrs/$2,430,000; $150k
4. Joe Bachie, LB, $1,160,000; 1 yr; $75k
5. Trayveon Williams, RB/KR, $1,092,500; 1 yr; $52,500
6. Michael Thomas, S, $940,000; 1 yr; $0
7. Cal Adomitis, LS, $870,000; 1 yr; $0
8. Trent Taylor, WR/PR, Uknown, ?


https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cincinnati-bengals

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

Got Away:
1. Jessie Bates, FS, $9,500,000; 4 yrs/$64,020,000
2. Vonn Bell, SS, $3,110,000; 3 yrs/$22,500,000
3. Hayden Hurst, TE, $3,136,666; 3 yrs/$21,750,000
4. Samjae Perine, RB, $3,000,000; 2 yrs/$7,500,000

Still Unsigned:
1. Eli Apple, CB
2. Tre Flowers, CB
3. Brandon Allen, QB
4. Mitchell Wilcox, TE
5. Drew Sample, TE
6. Clay Johnston, LB
7. Chris Lammons, CB

[Soonerpeace]

“displacement territory” meaning we’ve run out of room and have an edge and DT visiting? Doesn’t sound promising for Zeke?

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-28-2023, 08:03 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: “displacement territory” meaning we’ve run out of room and have an edge and DT visiting?  Doesn’t sound promising for Zeke?

Displacement territory meaning in terms of counting cap space, you not only add the new salary, but are subtracting salary of someone getting bumped off the top 51. 

A lot of the guys at the bottom of the roster have a zero dead cap number (all the PS guys save for Brown, Adomitis, Chrisman, Irwin, Ford, Tufele, George, Thomas, B. Wilson). Or one under $100k (Brown, Bailey, Morgan, T. Williams, Adeniji, Gunter, Bachie, Evans, T. Hill). Or even sub $250 k (Tupou, J. Davis, McPherson, Scharping, ADG, Anderson, D. Smith). Those are the guys most likely to go. We aren't saving money by cutting them, it is just a matter of getting beat out by a superior player. And it does not cost us much (or anything) to let them go.

The only small salaried guy with a larger dead cap that I could see getting let go is Carter ($655,875). 

Jonah, Mixon, & Collins are in a different category. 

[THE PISTONS]

I'd kind of like to draft a qb somewhere like round 4 on as a backup.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Updated with Taylor's contract info. 

New Signings:

Player, Position, 2023 Cap Hit; Contract Length/Amount, Dead Cap
1. Orlando Brown, LT, $10,398,000; 4 yrs/$64,092,000; $31.1 mil
2. Nick Scott, SS, $2,388,235; 3 yrs/$12 mil; $3 mil
3. Cody Ford, OT/OG, $940,000, 1 year; $0
4. Sydney Jones, CB, $ Unknown, 1 year; ?
5. Irv Smith Jr., TE, $ Unknown, 1 year; ?


Re-Signed:
Player, Position, 2023 Cap Hit; Contract length/value; Dead Cap
1. Germaine Pratt, LB, $5,403,921; 3 yrs/$20,250,000; $7 mil
2. Max Scharping, OG, $1,280,000, 1 year; $175k
3. Jalen Davis, CB, $1,205,000; 2 yrs/$2,430,000; $150k
4. Joe Bachie, LB, $1,160,000; 1 yr; $75k
5. Trayveon Williams, RB/KR, $1,092,500; 1 yr; $52,500
6. Trent Taylor, WR/PR, $1,092,500; 1 yr; $52,500
7. Michael Thomas, S, $940,000; 1 yr; $0
8. Cal Adomitis, LS, $870,000; 1 yr; $0

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cincinnati-bengals

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

Got Away:
1. Jessie Bates, FS, $9,500,000; 4 yrs/$64,020,000
2. Vonn Bell, SS, $3,110,000; 3 yrs/$22,500,000
3. Hayden Hurst, TE, $3,136,666; 3 yrs/$21,750,000
4. Samjae Perine, RB, $3,000,000; 2 yrs/$7,500,000

Still Unsigned:
1. Eli Apple, CB
2. Tre Flowers, CB
3. Brandon Allen, QB
4. Mitchell Wilcox, TE
5. Drew Sample, TE
6. Clay Johnston, LB
7. Chris Lammons, CB

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Well, we are officially over 53 now, even discounting the PS level guys, with the siggning of DE Tarell Basham. 

I.  53 Man Roster: Signed Players = 54.

A. Offense = 24.

1. QB (1): Burrow
2. RB (3): Mixon; T. Williams (KR1), Evans (KR2)
3. WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Boyd; Irwin, Morgan, Taylor (PR)
4. TE (2): I. Smith, Jr., Asiasi
5. OT (7): Brown, J. Williams; Collins (I), Carman, Adeniji, D. Smith, Ford.
6. OG (3): Cappa, Volson; Scharping
7. C (2): Karras, T. Hill

B. Defense = 27.  

1. DE (6): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Ossai, C. Sample, Gunter, Basham
2. NT/DT (5): Reader, BJ Hill; Tupou, Carter, Tufele
3. LB (5): L. Wilson, Pratt; ASG, Bailey, Bachie
4. CB (6): Awuzie (I), CTB, Hilton; Jones, George, J. Davis
5. S (5): D. Hill, Scott; Anderson, B. Wilson (KR3), Thomas

C. Special Teams = 3.

1. PK (1). McPherson.
2. P (1): Chrisman
3. LS (1): Adomitis

II. Practice Squad Players = 13  

1. Jake Browning, QB
2. Kwamie Lassiter, WR
3. Tanner Hudson, TE
4. Nick Bowers, TE
5. Devin Cochran, OT
6. Nate Gilliam, G
7. Ben Brown, C
8. Raymond Johnson III, DE
9. Owen Carney, DE
10. Dominique Davis, DT
11. Keandre Jones, LB
12. Marvell Tell, CB
13. Yusuf Corker, S

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Updated with signing of DE Tarell Basham, and the contact info for Sidney Jones and Irv Smith Jr. Though the latter has not oosted to OTC/spitrac yet.

New Signings:

Player, Position, 2023 Cap Hit; Contract Length/Amount, Dead Cap
1. Orlando Brown, LT, $10,398,000; 4 yrs/$64,092,000; $31.1 mil
2. Nick Scott, SS, $2,388,235; 3 yrs/$12 mil; $3 mil 
3. Irv Smith Jr., TE, $1.75 mil (up to $2 mil); 1 year, Unknown 
4. Sidney Jones, CB, $990,000, 1 year, $0
5. Cody Ford, OT/OG, $940,000, 1 year; $0 
6. Tarell Basham, DE, Unknown, 1 year, Unknown



Re-Signed:
Player, Position, 2023 Cap Hit; Contract length/value; Dead Cap
1. Germaine Pratt, LB, $5,403,921; 3 yrs/$20,250,000; $7 mil
2. Max Scharping, OG, $1,280,000, 1 year; $175k
3. Jalen Davis, CB, $1,205,000; 2 yrs/$2,430,000; $150k
4. Joe Bachie, LB, $1,160,000; 1 yr; $75k
5. Trayveon Williams, RB/KR, $1,092,500; 1 yr; $52,500
6. Trent Taylor, WR/PR, $1,092,500; 1 yr; $52,500
7. Michael Thomas, S, $940,000; 1 yr; $0
8. Cal Adomitis, LS, $870,000; 1 yr; $0

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cincinnati-bengals

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

Got Away:
1. Jessie Bates, FS, $9,500,000; 4 yrs/$64,020,000
2. Vonn Bell, SS, $3,110,000; 3 yrs/$22,500,000
3. Hayden Hurst, TE, $3,136,666; 3 yrs/$21,750,000
4. Samjae Perine, RB, $3,000,000; 2 yrs/$7,500,000

Still Unsigned:
1. Eli Apple, CB
2. Tre Flowers, CB
3. Brandon Allen, QB
4. Mitchell Wilcox, TE
5. Drew Sample, TE
6. Clay Johnston, LB
7. Chris Lammons, CB

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Updated eith Drew Sample signing. Plus, I saw somewhere that Brown is NOT on a developmental deal, so I moved him back to the "main" roster, which now stands at 56. 68 total with the PS guys.

I.  53 Man Roster: Signed Players = 56.

A. Offense = 26.

1. QB (1): Burrow
2. RB (3): Mixon; T. Williams (KR1), Evans (KR2)
3. WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Boyd; Irwin, Morgan, Taylor (PR)
4. TE (3): I. Smith, Jr., D. Sample, Asiasi
5. OT (7): Brown, J. Williams; Collins (I), Carman, Adeniji, D. Smith, Ford.
6. OG (3): Cappa, Volson; Scharping
7. C (3): Karras, T. Hill, Brown.

B. Defense = 27.  

1. DE (6): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Ossai, C. Sample, Gunter, Basham
2. NT/DT (5): Reader, BJ Hill; Tupou, Carter, Tufele
3. LB (5): L. Wilson, Pratt; ASG, Bailey, Bachie
4. CB (6): Awuzie (I), CTB, Hilton; Jones, George, J. Davis
5. S (5): D. Hill, Scott; Anderson, B. Wilson (KR3), Thomas

C. Special Teams = 3.

1. PK (1). McPherson.
2. P (1): Chrisman
3. LS (1): Adomitis

II. Practice Squad Players = 12.

1. Jake Browning, QB
2. Kwamie Lassiter, WR
3. Tanner Hudson, TE
4. Nick Bowers, TE
5. Devin Cochran, OT
6. Nate Gilliam, G
7. Raymond Johnson III, DE
8. Owen Carney, DE
9. Dominique Davis, DT
10. Keandre Jones, LB
11. Marvell Tell, CB
12. Yusuf Corker, S

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Updated with Drew Sample signing. Some sites (OTC, Cincy Jungle) have Brandon Wilson as a FA, but I am going with Soitrac, as I never saw a transaction releasing him and his deal is thru this year. 

New Signings = 6. 
Player, Position, 2023 Cap Hit; Contract Length/Amount, Dead Cap
1. Orlando Brown, LT, $10,398,000; 4 yrs/$64,092,000; $31.1 mil
2. Nick Scott, SS, $2,388,235; 3 yrs/$12 mil; $3 mil 
3. Irv Smith Jr., TE, $1.75 mil (up to $2 mil); 1 year, Unknown 
4. Sidney Jones, CB, $990,000, 1 year, $0
5. Cody Ford, OT/OG, $940,000, 1 year; $0 
6. Tarell Basham, DE, Unknown, 1 year, Unknown



Re-Signed = 9.
Player, Position, 2023 Cap Hit; Contract length/value; Dead Cap
1. Germaine Pratt, LB, $5,403,921; 3 yrs/$20,250,000; $7 mil
2. Max Scharping, OG, $1,280,000, 1 year; $175k
3. Jalen Davis, CB, $1,205,000; 2 yrs/$2,430,000; $150k
4. Joe Bachie, LB, $1,160,000; 1 yr; $75k
5. Trayveon Williams, RB/KR, $1,092,500; 1 yr; $52,500
6. Trent Taylor, WR/PR, $1,092,500; 1 yr; $52,500
7. Michael Thomas, S, $940,000; 1 yr; $0
8. Cal Adomitis, LS, $870,000; 1 yr; $0
9. Drew Sample, TE, unknown $$, 1 yr, unlnown

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cincinnati-bengals

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

Got Away = 4. 
1. Jessie Bates, FS, $9,500,000; 4 yrs/$64,020,000
2. Vonn Bell, SS, $3,110,000; 3 yrs/$22,500,000
3. Hayden Hurst, TE, $3,136,666; 3 yrs/$21,750,000
4. Samjae Perine, RB, $3,000,000; 2 yrs/$7,500,000

Still Unsigned = 6.
1. Eli Apple, CB
2. Tre Flowers, CB
3. Brandon Allen, QB
4. Mitchell Wilcox, TE
5. Clay Johnston, LB
6. Chris Lammons, CB

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(04-16-2023, 10:47 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Some sites (OTC, Cincy Jungle) have Brandon Wilson as a FA, but I am going with Soitrac, as I never saw a transaction releasing him and his deal is thru this year. 

He is a FA. Even on Spotrac, if you look it has his 2022 base salary as nonexistent, and his cap hit is listed as below league minimum so it is impossible.

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/3/16/22334763/brandon-wilson-bengals-free-agents-2021
This says he signed a 2 year deal "through the 2022 season".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Wilson_(American_football)
And even his Wikipedia page says he is a free agent.

https://www.bengals.com/team/free-agent-tracker
Probably most importantly, even Bengals.com has him listed as an unrestricted free agent still.

I think there was just an entry error on Spotrac when someone was inputting his information and it kicked some of the things they were typing down into the next row.

[*pally*]

As of right now Jake Browning us QB2 not PS

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[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(04-17-2023, 11:39 AM)pally Wrote: As of right now Jake Browning us QB2 not PS

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He is on a PS/developmental contract ($750k) and has never made the 53. If he wins QB2 in camp, I'll move him. But not before that. Or before a new deal that signals a change in status. QB2 is open as far as I am concerned. YMMV, of course. But we are sure bringing in/looking at a lot of QBs. 

Speaking of changes in status, Spotrac has joined OTC & ithers in listing B. Wilson as a FA. I missed that, whenever it happened (last year or this). It does free up $2 mil in cap space. I will move him accordingly. 

Gotta finish my taxes first, though. 

Thanks for the updates on Wilson, TLL. 

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Updated with Brandon Wilson properly listed as a FA. I am a little slow sometimes. Thanks to TLL & pally for the updates/comments. Not buying Browning as QB2 yet. Though Brown should probably be down with the PS guys, too. I go back & forth on him. Thought he had a real shot to make the team last year before the injury. YMMV, of course. 

I.  53 Man Roster: Signed Players = 56.

A. Offense = 26.

1. QB (1): Burrow
2. RB (3): Mixon; T. Williams (KR1), Evans (KR2)
3. WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Boyd; Irwin, Morgan, Taylor (PR)
4. TE (3): I. Smith, Jr., D. Sample, Asiasi
5. OT (7): Brown, J. Williams; Collins (I), Carman, Ford, Adeniji, D. Smith.
6. OG (3): Cappa, Volson; Scharping
7. C (3): Karras, T. Hill, Brown.

B. Defense = 26.  

1. DE (6): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Ossai, C. Sample, Basham, Gunter
2. NT/DT (5): Reader, BJ Hill; Tupou, Carter, Tufele
3. LB (5): L. Wilson, Pratt; ASG, Bailey, Bachie
4. CB (6): Awuzie (I), CTB, Hilton; Jones, George, J. Davis
5. S (4): D. Hill, Scott; Anderson, Thomas

C. Special Teams = 3.

1. PK (1). McPherson.
2. P (1): Chrisman
3. LS (1): Adomitis

II. Practice Squad Players = 12.

1. Jake Browning, QB
2. Kwamie Lassiter, WR
3. Tanner Hudson, TE
4. Nick Bowers, TE
5. Devin Cochran, OT
6. Nate Gilliam, G
7. Raymond Johnson III, DE
8. Owen Carney, DE
9. Dominique Davis, DT
10. Keandre Jones, LB
11. Marvell Tell, CB
12. Yusuf Corker, S

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Updated with Brandin Wilson now correctly listed as a FA, and the contract info for Basham and Drew Sample..

New Signings = 6. 
Player, Position, 2023 Cap Hit; Contract Length/Amount, Dead Cap
1. Orlando Brown, LT, $10,398,000; 4 yrs/$64,092,000; $31.1 mil
2. Nick Scott, SS, $2,388,235; 3 yrs/$12 mil; $3 mil 
3. Irv Smith Jr., TE, $1.75 mil (up to $2 mil); 1 year, Unknown 
4. Sidney Jones, CB, $990,000, 1 year, $0
5. Tarell Basham, DE/OLB, $961,000; 1 year; $0
6. Cody Ford, OT/OG, $940,000, 1 year; $0 


Re-Signed = 9.
Player, Position, 2023 Cap Hit; Contract length/value; Dead Cap
1. Germaine Pratt, LB, $5,403,921; 3 yrs/$20,250,000; $7 mil
2. Max Scharping, OG, $1,280,000, 1 year; $175k
3. Jalen Davis, CB, $1,205,000; 2 yrs/$2,430,000; $150k
4. Joe Bachie, LB, $1,160,000; 1 yr; $75k
5. Trayveon Williams, RB/KR, $1,092,500; 1 yr; $52,500
6. Trent Taylor, WR/PR, $1,092,500; 1 yr; $52,500
7. Drew Sample, TE, $1,092,500; 1 yr; $52,500
8. Michael Thomas, S, $940,000; 1 yr; $0
9. Cal Adomitis, LS, $870,000; 1 yr; $0

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cincinnati-bengals

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

Got Away = 4. 
1. Jessie Bates, FS, $9,500,000; 4 yrs/$64,020,000
2. Vonn Bell, SS, $3,110,000; 3 yrs/$22,500,000
3. Hayden Hurst, TE, $3,136,666; 3 yrs/$21,750,000
4. Samjae Perine, RB, $3,000,000; 2 yrs/$7,500,000

Still Unsigned = 7.
1. Eli Apple, CB
2. Tre Flowers, CB
3. Brandon Allen, QB
4. Mitchell Wilcox, TE
5. Clay Johnston, LB 
6. Brandon Wilson, S/KR
7. Chris Lammons, CB

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-21-2023, 10:58 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I guess maybe from a money stand point. But Collins was bad before he got injured and I don't coming back from a knee injury making him better. Mixon can still carry the load and after losing Perine appears to be our best option. Heading into a draft we have a lot of needs.

I am not a fan of cutting either guy at the moment. Late season OL injuries have hurt us the last 2 years. I want as much depth as I can get there. Plus, Collins is signed thru 2024. If he only had one more year, then yes. He was our best rum blocker even as stiff as he was. Not cutting NFL level guys unless I think I have superior guys to replace them with. I do not think Ford or Smith or Adeniji qualify. 

As for Mixon, with Perine gone, I am far lessinclined to let Joe go. Even if we draft a rookie, if it ain't Bijan, Mixon stays until/unless I absolutely NEED that $$ for someone else. 

[*ochocincos*]

(04-18-2023, 05:02 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Updated with Brandon Wilson properly listed as a FA. I am a little slow sometimes. Thanks to TLL & pally for the updates/comments. Not buying Browning as QB2 yet. Though Brown should probably be down with the PS guys, too. I go back & forth on him. Thought he had a real shot to make the team last year before the injury. YMMV, of course. 

I.  53 Man Roster: Signed Players = 56.

A. Offense = 26.

1. QB (1): Burrow
2. RB (3): Mixon; T. Williams (KR1), Evans (KR2)
3. WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Boyd; Irwin, Morgan, Taylor (PR)
4. TE (3): I. Smith, Jr., D. Sample, Asiasi
5. OT (7): Brown, J. Williams; Collins (I), Carman, Ford, Adeniji, D. Smith.
6. OG (3): Cappa, Volson; Scharping
7. C (3): Karras, T. Hill, Brown.

B. Defense = 26.  

1. DE (6): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Ossai, C. Sample, Basham, Gunter
2. NT/DT (5): Reader, BJ Hill; Tupou, Carter, Tufele
3. LB (5): L. Wilson, Pratt; ASG, Bailey, Bachie
4. CB (6): Awuzie (I), CTB, Hilton; Jones, George, J. Davis
5. S (4): D. Hill, Scott; Anderson, Thomas

C. Special Teams = 3.

1. PK (1). McPherson.
2. P (1): Chrisman
3. LS (1): Adomitis

II. Practice Squad Players = 12.

1. Jake Browning, QB
2. Kwamie Lassiter, WR
3. Tanner Hudson, TE
4. Nick Bowers, TE
5. Devin Cochran, OT
6. Nate Gilliam, G
7. Raymond Johnson III, DE
8. Owen Carney, DE
9. Dominique Davis, DT
10. Keandre Jones, LB
11. Marvell Tell, CB
12. Yusuf Corker, S

If the season started today, here would be my 53 before moving people to IR:
QB (2) - Burrow, Browning
RB (3) - Mixon, Williams, Evans
TE (3) - Smith, Sample, Asiasi
WR (6) - Chase, Higgins, Boyd, Irwin, Morgan, Taylor
OT (5) - Brown, Williams, Carman, Ford, Collins (IR/PUP)
OG (3) - Cappa, Volson, Scharping
OC (2) - Karras, Hill

DE (5) - Hendrickson, Hubbard, Ossai, Sample, Basham
DT (5) - Hill, Reader, Carter, Tupou, Tufele
LB (5) - Wilson, Pratt, ADG, Bailey, Bachie
SAF (4) - Hill, Scott, Thomas, Anderson
CB (6) - Awuzie, CTB, Hilton, Jones, Davis, George

K (1) - McPherson
P (1) - Chrisman
LS (1) - Adomitis

Guys in bold are ones I think that could get bumped out by a draft pick.
Collins I think starts on IR/PUP and the Bengals roll with 4 OTs to start the season. Once he's healthy, they'll have to figure out whether to cut him or someone else to make room.
If Jonah is traded, that can open up a spot.
I don't think both Tupou and Tufele would be gone unless the Bengals wanted to keep a 6th DE (Gunter) while only rolling with 4 DTs and getting a DT in the draft.
I doubt both Davis and George make the roster. I would expect a draft pick to get one of those CB spots, or Apple re-signed after draft to bump one of them off.
A RB will be added for sure to replace Perine. Very likely in the draft. I think they'll roll with 9 OL to compensate for the 4th RB.
Mixon getting released will mean a 2nd RB spot available.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(04-18-2023, 05:26 PM)ochocincos Wrote: If the season started today, here would be my 53 before moving people to IR:
QB (2) - Burrow, Browning
RB (3) - Mixon, Williams, Evans
TE (3) - Smith, Sample, Asiasi
WR (6) - Chase, Higgins, Boyd, Irwin, Morgan, Taylor
OT (5) - Brown, Williams, Carman, Ford, Collins (IR/PUP)
OG (3) - Cappa, Volson, Scharping
OC (2) - Karras, Hill

DE (5) - Hendrickson, Hubbard, Ossai, Sample, Basham
DT (5) - Hill, Reader, Carter, Tupou, Tufele
LB (5) - Wilson, Pratt, ADG, Bailey, Bachie
SAF (4) - Hill, Scott, Thomas, Anderson
CB (6) - Awuzie, CTB, Hilton, Jones, Davis, George

K (1) - McPherson
P (1) - Chrisman
LS (1) - Adomitis

Guys in bold are ones I think that could get bumped out by a draft pick.
Collins I think starts on IR/PUP and the Bengals roll with 4 OTs to start the season. Once he's healthy, they'll have to figure out whether to cut him or someone else to make room.
If Jonah is traded, that can open up a spot.
I don't think both Tupou and Tufele would be gone unless the Bengals wanted to keep a 6th DE (Gunter) while only rolling with 4 DTs and getting a DT in the draft.
I doubt both Davis and George make the roster. I would expect a draft pick to get one of those CB spots, or Apple re-signed after draft to bump one of them off.
A RB will be added for sure to replace Perine. Very likely in the draft. I think they'll roll with 9 OL to compensate for the 4th RB.
Mixon getting released will mean a 2nd RB spot available.

Good post. I think I agree with nearly everything you said. One nit is that you only have 52 guys on your roster, even counting Collins. 24 on offense. We do not HAVE a 4th RB to put in there, at present, of course. But you do not have to go light on O-line to do it. I'd expect another OL to make the 53 once Collins gets PUPed (Adeniji, Smith, draft pick).

I'd put the following guys in bold: Evans, D. Sample, Morgan, Irwin, Ford, T. Hill, Basham, Bachie, Thomas, Jones. Though we'd have to double dip for some guys to get cut. And I think other guys are relatively safe (Jones, Bachie, Irwin).

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Thought I'd take a shot at the roster after Day 2. These are signed players only. 

I.  53 Man Roster: Signed Players = 58. 

A. Offense = 26.

1. QB (1): Burrow
2. RB (3): Mixon; T. Williams (KR1), Evans (KR2)
3. WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Boyd; Irwin, Morgan, Taylor (PR)
4. TE (3): I. Smith, Jr., D. Sample, Asiasi
5. OT (7): Brown, J. Williams; Collins (I), Carman, Ford, Adeniji, D. Smith.
6. OG (3): Cappa, Volson; Scharping
7. C (3): Karras, T. Hill, Brown.

B. Defense = 29  

1. DE (7): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Murphy, Ossai, C. Sample, Basham, Gunter
2. NT/DT (5): Reader, BJ Hill; Tupou, Carter, Tufele
3. LB (5): L. Wilson, Pratt; ASG, Bailey, Bachie
4. CB (7): Awuzie (I), CTB, Hilton; Turner,  Jones, George, J. Davis
5. S (5): D. Hill, Scott; Battle, Anderson, Thomas

C. Special Teams = 3.

1. PK (1). McPherson.
2. P (1): Chrisman
3. LS (1): Adomitis

II. Practice Squad Players = 12.

1. Jake Browning, QB
2. Kwamie Lassiter, WR
3. Tanner Hudson, TE
4. Nick Bowers, TE
5. Devin Cochran, OT
6. Nate Gilliam, G
7. Raymond Johnson III, DE
8. Owen Carney, DE
9. Dominique Davis, DT
10. Keandre Jones, LB
11. Marvell Tell, CB
12. Yusuf Corker, S
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Projected 53:  

QB (2): Burrow; QB2 (not Browning) 
RB (4): Mixon; RB2, T. Williams, Evans 
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Boyd; Irwin, Morgan, Taylor 
TE (3): Smith, D. Sample, Asiasi 
OT (4): O. Brown, Williams; Carman, Collins 
OG (4): Cappa, Volson; Scharping, Ford (OG/OT) 
C (2): Karras; T. Hill 
------------------------- 
DE (5): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Murphy, Ossai, C. Sample 
DT (5): Reader, BJ Hill; Tupou, Carter, Tufele 
LB (5): Wilson, Pratt; Davis-Gaither, Bailey, Bachie 
CB (6): Awuzie, Taylor-Britt, Hilton; Turner, Jones, J. Davis (slot2) 
S (4): Scott, D. Hill; Battle, Anderson 
------------ 
PK (1): McPherson 
P (1): Chrisman 
LS (1): Adomitis 

Signed guys on outside looking in = 7. 

1. Adeniji, OT 
2. Smith, OT 
3. B. Brown, C 
4. Basham, DE 
5. Gunter, DE 
6. George, CB 
7. Thomas, S 

Collins likely starts the year on IR/PUP, so that would open up an OT spot for Adeniji/Smith. With the new PS rules, some vets can stick there (Thomas, Basham).