Chase Brown VS Joe Mixon. The starting job isn’t in jeopardy, or is it?

[*Synric*]

Doesn't matter how much Mixon weighs he doesn't break a lot of arm tackles so you cant really consider him a "power back".

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(05-02-2023, 05:21 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Mixon's been down to 220 lbs for a while now.
https://www.bengals.com/team/players-roster/joe-mixon/

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Mixon's weight may depend on what he ate for dinner the night before.

I doubt he hits the 220 Bengals.com Roster weight each and every game.

He was likely very fit at his Combine weigh in at age 21 hitting 228 pounds.

He is 26 years old now and around 6 foot 1.

I suspect he is playing at a weight somewhere in the mid 220's on average, so less than 230 if I have to split hairs. (228 is less than 230 with a hair split)

I see a lot of Power in his lower body and I doubt defenders consider him an easy man to bring down.

Others may see him differently but 220 plus is a pretty stout running back. IMO

[Soonerpeace]

(05-02-2023, 05:37 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: idk how Mixon weights 220 - he looks freaking tiny. 

I’ve stood next to him on the field. He’s awfully stout.

[KillerGoose]

(05-02-2023, 05:52 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I’ve stood next to him on the field. He’s awfully stout.

Yeah, most of these guys are. Mixon is a bigger running back. Perine, while shorter, was comically stout. Even a guy like Kyler Murray wasn't as small as you think he is. I worked as a contractor for ESPN for a few years and would help run the cameras/microphones on the sideline for OU/OSU/TU games here in Oklahoma. One of the games, Murray ended up standing right next to me while the defense was on the field. He was shorter than me, but he wasn't tiny by any means. 

[Soonerpeace]

(05-02-2023, 05:58 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Yeah, most of these guys are. Mixon is a bigger running back. Perine, while shorter, was comically stout. Even a guy like Kyler Murray wasn't as small as you think he is. I worked as a contractor for ESPN for a few years and would help run the cameras/microphones on the sideline for OU/OSU/TU games here in Oklahoma. One of the games, Murray ended up standing right next to me while the defense was on the field. He was shorter than me, but he wasn't tiny by any means. 

Perine is a trunk. One of the strongest OU players regardless of position

[NUGDUKWE]

(05-02-2023, 05:25 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Mixon is plenty physical but Perine a bull. Mixon’s issues is that he gives up to easily. He won’t take what’s there. Perine was great at that. They were a great tandem at Oklahoma and again here.

I actually think Mixon is more powerful/physical than perine. Perine uses the stiff arm more and I wonder if Mixon just has more of an emphasis on ball security.

[Frank Booth]

(05-02-2023, 06:40 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I actually think Mixon is more powerful/physical than perine. Perine uses the stiff arm more and I wonder if Mixon just has more of an emphasis on ball security.

you think wrong. Perine is legitimately the strongest RB in the league

[NUGDUKWE]

(05-02-2023, 05:46 PM)depthchart Wrote: .


Mixon's weight may depend on what he ate for dinner the night before.

I doubt he hits the 220 Bengals.com Roster weight each and every game.

He was likely very fit at his Combine weigh in at age 21 hitting 228 pounds.

He is 26 years old now and around 6 foot 1.

I suspect he is playing at a weight somewhere in the mid 220's on average, so less than 230 if I have to split hairs. (228 is less than 230 with a hair split)

I see a lot of Power in his lower body and I doubt defenders consider him an easy man to bring down.

Others may see him differently but 220 plus is a pretty stout running back. IMO

I was just having a conversation at work about running backs not having success unless they are 200+ pounds. So we were looking up a bunch of backs that we thought were lighter. Chris Johnson was 203, Tomlinson was 216. Both of those guys seemed tiny to me and comparing them to Mixon I could see him easily pushing 230.

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(05-02-2023, 06:25 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Perine is a trunk. One of the strongest OU players regardless of position

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It is interesting that Perine's Combine weight was 233 pounds at 5 foot 10 and 5/8 height.

Mixon's Combine weight of 228 at 6 foot and 3/4 inches tall.

As Ochocincos implies, they may have had Mixon trim down some while Perine likely got heavier since his Combine.

To me they are both Stout men and were only 5 pounds apart at their Combine weigh ins which they appeared to have trained hard for.

[THE PISTONS]

I feel like Edwards Helaire will be our starter when his contract is up. 5th year option declined.

[Frank Booth]

(05-02-2023, 07:19 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I feel like Edwards Helaire will be our starter when his contract is up. 5th year option declined.

I think cincy will sign him for sure. But he's gonna be splitting with Brown. CEH isnt any good

[*ochocincos*]

(05-02-2023, 06:48 PM)depthchart Wrote: .


It is interesting that Perine's Combine weight was 233 pounds at 5 foot 10 and 5/8 height.

Mixon's Combine weight of 228 at 6 foot and 3/4 inches tall.

As Ochocincos implies, they may have had Mixon trim down some while Perine likely got heavier since his Combine.

To me they are both Stout men and were only 5 pounds apart at their Combine weigh ins which they appeared to have trained hard for.

Yea Perine was playing at 240 lbs last year.

I bring up the disagreement with Mixon being close to 230 lbs because 1) We can only go off what he was last reported at, which was 220 lbs, and 2) He doesn't pound the rock like a 230+ lb RB.
He seems to run more of the style of a 210 lb RB.

[Soonerpeace]

(05-02-2023, 06:42 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: you think wrong. Perine is legitimately the strongest RB in the league

This is from USA Today:
The numbers seem cartoonish. Perine has bench-pressed 450 pounds. He once did 315 for 12 repetitions. And there was that one time he pressed a car. He squats 600 pounds — except wait, the Oklahoma strength coaches don’t let him do squats; that was back at Hendrickson High School in Pflugerville, Texas. His vertical leap is 34.5 inches. He broad jumps more than 10 feet. Oh, and when back home on breaks, his daily regimen includes 792 pushups and 792 situps.

How much does Samaje Perine bench press?

Running back Samaje Perine can bench press 235 pounds, 30 times. He is credited as being one of the strongest players in the 2017 NFL Draft class if you measure it pound for pound. This 235 pound Cincinnati Bengals player is recorded as bench pressing 235 pounds for 30 reps in the NFL combine, although he says he could manage 35 reps back in his high school days with his max bench press being 365 pounds.

Here are tales about Perine's feats of strength:
Lifting cars: Late one night in the summer of 2015, Perine noticed a woman with a flat tire in the parking lot of the Bud Wilkinson House on Oklahoma's campus. She didn't have a car jack.
"So I just helped her out," he said.
By lifting the car so the back left tire could be changed.
Perine's mom said he would only laugh when she asked him about it, not knowing if it was myth or real.
But it was real. Perine sort of shrugged it off by pointing out it was "a pretty small car. A Smart Car." They weigh 1,500 pounds.
"If you lift one side, the whole side is coming up,'
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said. "It was kind of heavy ... I mean, I wouldn't say it was easy. It's still a car."
Perine said he was alone, but Oklahoma running back Daniel Brooks once told Soonersports.com that he saw what happened. Brooks added to the myth when he told the website, "He was curling the car, too, I think."
Perine laughs.
"That part is made up," he said.

At the combine, he benched 225 pounds 30 times -- only four offensive linemen did more. And Perine said he once did 35 reps of 225 pounds in high School

[*jason*]

(05-02-2023, 07:21 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I think cincy will sign him for sure. But he's gonna be splitting with Brown. CEH isnt any good

Joe Burrow once said he was the best football player he ever played with. He's full of shit, but he said it.

[OSUfan]

This kid could start and be very productive in this offense and in the NFL! That is a pretty darn good defense he was going against.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azH_QpHWkH0

[*michaelsean*]

Speed to threaten the edge is hard to ignore.

[samhain]

I see no way Brown takes Mixon's spot as RB1. Mixon isn't really a situational specialist, unless you consider first and second down situations, which basically makes him the main back. He's the opposite of a 3rd down back. He's not bad a s a goaline back, but he's not quite a short yardage guy by trade.

Oh, and there's chance in hell this team gives a back making 12 mil just a few snaps a game.

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(05-02-2023, 07:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Yea Perine was playing at 240 lbs last year.

I bring up the disagreement with Mixon being close to 230 lbs because 1) We can only go off what he was last reported at, which was 220 lbs, and 2) He doesn't pound the rock like a 230+ lb RB.
He seems to run more of the style of a 210 lb RB.

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The subjectivity is what makes player evaluations interesting. I see the 210 pound running style while also seeing Power and lower body muscle girth to his body that the bigger backs have. 

This is what made Mixon a somewhat rare prospect coming out running a 4.45 forty at 6 foot and 3/4  228 pounds. 

Adrian Peterson was 6 foot 1 and 1/2  217 pounds with a 4.41 forty time at his Combine.

I could see 220 as being a target weight the Bengals point him towards for some extra speed (and a Public Relations weight they use on Team Rosters which round heights to the inch) but he looks every bit of 225 or more to me.

Being 228 pounds & in shape at just age 21 then adding 5 years to now be 26 years old makes me think that he would have to struggle to get to and hold 220 pounds now. I also don't see the same speed as when he was younger which if he was 220 pounds the speed may still be there more than it is.

I'm guessing that he is playing between 224 to 228 pounds in any given week which is purely subjective.   I could be wrong. 

Another Fan or Poster may see Mixon in a completely different way based on reasons that shape their viewpoint which is fine with me.

I respect your opinion and it is fun to split the hairs.

[THE PISTONS]

(05-02-2023, 07:21 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I think cincy will sign him for sure. But he's gonna be splitting with Brown. CEH isnt any good

I think he gets hurt a lot. When healthy, he's ok.

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(05-02-2023, 07:19 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I feel like Edwards Helaire will be our starter when his contract is up. 5th year option declined.

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The Bengals may look for a younger back like Helaire that becomes available.

Some other older Veteran names to consider:

Kareem Hunt

Ezekiel Elliott

Leonard Fournette

*Keeping Mixon by just paying him what he is due or negotiating a reasonable pay cut that he would accept may not be a bad idea for the 2023 season.

I don't think that he will be as easy to replace immediately as many people think. 

Having his continuity in the Offense for a 2023 Super Bowl run could prove more helpful than some of his immediate replacement options may prove to be.