Daily observations from camp

[*PhilHos*]

(08-16-2024, 01:13 PM)Whatever Wrote: Well, Chase Brown has largely sucked, aside from a couple of splash plays, and is pretty much unanimously lauded around here.

No, Brown has NOT largely sucked. First, last year was Brown's rookie season. Secondly, Brown has largely not played much in his rookie season WHICH WAS LAST YEAR. Thirdly, Brown has shown potential to be a decent, if not quality RB in the little playing time he got last year WHICH WAS HIS ROOKIE SEASON. Lastly, Brown isn't lauded. People are HOPEFUL that he'll be good, but no one has said that Chase Brown is an already established good RB.

BTW, Chase Brown was a rookie last year. Don't know if you knew that. 

(08-16-2024, 02:34 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Kareem Hunt please, he is 29, great 3rd down back and is a beast on short yardage and on goal line.

He can be had for 1.3 to 1.5 million. Low risk and high reward.

You had me at Kareem Hunt. As Sheev Palpatine once said, "Do it."

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-16-2024, 04:01 PM)PhilHos Wrote: No, Brown has NOT largely sucked. First, last year was Brown's rookie season. Secondly, Brown has largely not played much in his rookie season WHICH WAS LAST YEAR. Thirdly, Brown has shown potential to be a decent, if not quality RB in the little playing time he got last year WHICH WAS HIS ROOKIE SEASON. Lastly, Brown isn't lauded. People are HOPEFUL that he'll be good, but no one has said that Chase Brown is an already established good RB.

BTW, Chase Brown was a rookie last year. Don't know if you knew that. 


You had me at Kareem Hunt. As Sheev Palpatine once said, "Do it."

Yeah, you could say that anybody largely sucked besides when they played good lol

[*pally*]

Weird coincidence, a bad one, DkAnte Smith also tore his patella tendon. 2 guys identical injuries 5 minutes apart

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-16-2024, 04:59 PM)pally Wrote: Weird coincidence, a bad one, DkAnte Smith also tore his patella tendon.  2 guys identical injuries 5 minutes apart

Craziness, we need an OT now as well as a RB with this news and a DT with the Kris Jenkins news.

[Whatever]

(08-16-2024, 04:01 PM)PhilHos Wrote: No, Brown has NOT largely sucked. First, last year was Brown's rookie season. Secondly, Brown has largely not played much in his rookie season WHICH WAS LAST YEAR. Thirdly, Brown has shown potential to be a decent, if not quality RB in the little playing time he got last year WHICH WAS HIS ROOKIE SEASON. Lastly, Brown isn't lauded. People are HOPEFUL that he'll be good, but no one has said that Chase Brown is an already established good RB.

BTW, Chase Brown was a rookie last year. Don't know if you knew that. 


You had me at Kareem Hunt. As Sheev Palpatine once said, "Do it."

Just because he was a rookie doesn't mean he didn't suck.  And without a play call or ridiculously good blocking opening up a sea of green in front of him, he sucked.  And typically, there's not a big learning curve for RB's running the ball.  Not mention, he was horrible against Tampa a week ago and had a whole thread dedicated to his poor play.

I'm hopeful everyone on the team will be good.  I ride Volson as hard as anyone, but I'll also be extremely happy if he can prove me wrong and develop into a quality LG this year.  I'll happily eat my crow if he does.  But when folks are largely like "We don't need to do anything at RB other than sign a journeyman to replace Mixon because we we have Chase Brown," that's way beyond "hopeful."

[Au165]

(08-16-2024, 05:12 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Craziness, we need an OT now as well as a RB with this news and a DT with the Kris Jenkins news.

Wait what Kris Jenkins news did I miss?

[Whatever]

(08-16-2024, 05:36 PM)Au165 Wrote: Wait what Kris Jenkins news did I miss?

Someone said in this thread he was seen on crutches, but I've seen nothing to corroborate it.

[Au165]

(08-16-2024, 05:43 PM)Whatever Wrote: Someone said in this thread he was seen on crutches, but I've seen nothing to corroborate it.

That's why I was confused I think. I am scouring the internet looking for something haha.

[*pally*]

(08-16-2024, 05:43 PM)Whatever Wrote: Someone said in this thread he was seen on crutches, but I've seen nothing to corroborate it.

Jeremy Fowler with h ESPN reported it’s a torn patellar tendon. Just like with Evans

[Au165]

(08-16-2024, 05:47 PM)pally Wrote: Jeremy Fowler with h ESPN reported it’s a torn patellar tendon.  Just like with Evans

That was Smith not Jenkins. 

[Nepa]

(08-16-2024, 05:47 PM)pally Wrote: Jeremy Fowler with h ESPN reported it’s a torn patellar tendon.  Just like with Evans

Yes, D'Ante Smith and Chris Evans will both miss the season. And Mims will miss several weeks.

[*ochocincos*]

(08-16-2024, 04:01 PM)PhilHos Wrote: No, Brown has NOT largely sucked. First, last year was Brown's rookie season. Secondly, Brown has largely not played much in his rookie season WHICH WAS LAST YEAR. Thirdly, Brown has shown potential to be a decent, if not quality RB in the little playing time he got last year WHICH WAS HIS ROOKIE SEASON. Lastly, Brown isn't lauded. People are HOPEFUL that he'll be good, but no one has said that Chase Brown is an already established good RB.

BTW, Chase Brown was a rookie last year. Don't know if you knew that. 


You had me at Kareem Hunt. As Sheev Palpatine once said, "Do it."

Also worth noting Chase Brown was a 5th round pick, not a Day 1/2 pick.
The expectation is (or should be) that players picked earlier should be expected to perform better earlier.
We should not have an expectation that Chase Brown has to magically be some good RB just because he's on the roster.

If people wanna gripe about the lack of success with the RBs, gripe that the Bengals have not invested much $$ and/or high draft capital into that position other than Joe Mixon.

People might wanna pump the breaks on ole' Kareem Hunt though.
Dude is 29 years old and has only had 1 season with >4.2 YPC since leaving KC. Hunt hasn't been a Chief since Marvin Lewis was the HC of the Bengals.

Hunt's YPC over the past 5 years in CLE? 4.0. And that's behind an OL that Nick Chubb has put up 5.3 YPC.
I'd rather wait to see who becomes available after the final cuts.

[Whatever]

(08-16-2024, 05:47 PM)pally Wrote: Jeremy Fowler with h ESPN reported it’s a torn patellar tendon.  Just like with Evans

I think someone is confusing him with Smith or Evans.  Too big a story to be this quiet 

[Luvnit2]

(08-16-2024, 06:10 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Also worth noting Chase Brown was a 5th round pick, not a Day 1/2 pick.
The expectation is (or should be) that players picked earlier should be expected to perform better earlier.
We should not have an expectation that Chase Brown has to magically be some good RB just because he's on the roster.

If people wanna gripe about the lack of success with the RBs, gripe that the Bengals have not invested much $$ and/or high draft capital into that position other than Joe Mixon.

People might wanna pump the breaks on ole' Kareem Hunt though.
Dude is 29 years old and has only had 1 season with >4.2 YPC since leaving KC. Hunt hasn't been a Chief since Marvin Lewis was the HC of the Bengals.

Hunt's YPC over the past 5 years in CLE? 4.0. And that's behind an OL that Nick Chubb has put up 5.3 YPC.
I'd rather wait to see who becomes available after the final cuts.

I never said Hunt was our option for RB1, RB2, but yes to RB3.

He had 9 TD's in 2023 with only 135 carries. I call that a specialist and impressive.

Kareem Hunt Career Stats - NFL - ESPN

[NATI BENGALS]

I would guess there will be around 62 RBs hitting the market in the next month. 2 from all 31 other teams?

I'm not going to be mad if our #4 is on a different team right now.

[Essex Johnson]

(08-16-2024, 01:41 PM)Whatever Wrote: The RB3 won't have increased ST's snaps because the RB3 and RB4 were on the field at the same time most of the time.  For example, Williams was the Up man on Evans returns.  He can't play two positions.

If McLachlan is showing potential and is too good to ship to the PS, then you cut Hudson and try to get him to the PS(where he's spent most of his career).  You don't go short at a position where guys get banged up and winded all the time.  Guys on the street don't get you through a game when two of your backs got hurt and the last man standing is dying of exhaustion.  Then people whine about why we threw it on 3rd and 1 instead of just handing it off.  And it's especially bad for an 11 base team to keep 5 TE's 

I'm not big on putting a player on roster with potential over a player that has produced when given opportunity,  so Hudson on roster and Mclaughlan to PS.

[reuben.ahmed]

who is our punter gonna be

[casear2727]

(08-17-2024, 03:21 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I'm not big on putting a player on roster with potential over a player that has produced when given opportunity,  so Hudson on roster and Mclaughlan to PS.

I hope we take McLachlan 100 times over a 30 year-old Hudson who has been cut by 4 teams and is a very poor blocker.  We have a pass catcher in Gesicki and a blocker in Drew.  All provides both, as does Tanner, although he is a better pass catcher and he has speed.  Keeping Hudson over Tanner would be a very Bengals thing to do and I believe another team would grab him off the PS at some point.  We would be dumb for throwing away a young draft pick for a career PS guy that only has a year or two left in the league.

[Joelist]

There’s nothing anywhere saying Jenkins is hurt. The Evans injury simply raises the odds Noah Cain makes the roster. The Smith injury does mean we’ll likely bring in another veteran OL.

As to Chase Brown the issues we’ve seen are coachable ones.

[Whatever]

(08-17-2024, 03:21 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I'm not big on putting a player on roster with potential over a player that has produced when given opportunity,  so Hudson on roster and Mclaughlan to PS.

I'm not a fan of cutting a guy who can be at minimum cheap, quality depth for the next four years over a guy who's bounced around the league on practice squads for his entire career that I will have to either resign or replace next year.  I mean, this is the TE4 spot, not the starting role.


Beyond that, McLaughlin has the skill set to fill in for Gesicki or Sample if needed.  Hudson can only sub for Gesicki.  And Hudson played only 10% of the ST's snaps in games he played last year, meaning he's not really a contributor there, either.  By comparison, Mitchell Wilcox never played less than 56% of the ST's snaps during his time here.